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Ania

Joined: 08 Sep 2003 Posts: 198 Location: Britain
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:52 am Post subject: Writing a decent summary for a fic |
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| I know this is a wierd one but I seem incapable of writing a decent summary for my fics, they're either too vague and don't give enough detail or are too long and send the reader too sleep, does anyone have any tips they could give me? |
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Marta
Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 24 Location: Bronx, NY
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:12 am Post subject: |
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I have that problem, too. The only way I've been able to have any luck with summaries is by summarising the premise of the fic instead of summarising the whole story or even the beginning of it. For example if I was going to summarise "The Lord of the Rings" as if it were a fanfic I might write
"When Bilbo stumbled on his magic ring nobody dreamed how dangerous it might be. But the Dark Lord Sauron is now rising, and Sauron has heard the name "Baggins." Now his nephew Frodo must pay the price: journey deep into Mordor to destroy the Enemy's Ring, or watch all Middle-earth fall to the encroaching night."
Something like that.
Cheers,
Marta |
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sindohte

Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 1621 Location: Rubbing up against an Elf
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Ania,
That is a good question. Could you give an example of a story that you have been having trouble writing a summary for? That way people can give you more specific input.
Here's is an example of an imaginary summary about a Boromir fic that I haven't written.
"The eldest son of Denethor is faced with a difficult choice. Does he carry out his father's edict as the captain of Gondor's troops, or does he follow his heart?"
When I write a summary I try to mention who the main character is and then include some vague detail about what the main conflict or action will be. And I try to say it all in 3-5 sentences and in the form of a question that I want the reader to find out by reading my story. _________________ abandon thought, and let the dream descend... |
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SilverMoonLady

Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 1201 Location: Breaking in a Brandybuck... *wicked grin*
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Always a toughy, the summary:)
Both of the previous posts are excellent suggestions. The 'trick' I guess is to give just enough info so your reader gets 'hooked' on the story, so catching their imagination with a question definately works (assuming it's the right question), as does setting up the tension/drive for the story (what hangs in the balance? what must be done/prevented). Every now and again, the first sentence of your fic ends up being a good hook as well, since it serves to a certain extent the same purpose, to draw the reader in. |
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Marta
Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 24 Location: Bronx, NY
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 9:19 am Post subject: |
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"The eldest son of Denethor is faced with a difficult choice. Does he carry out his father's edict as the captain of Gondor's troops, or does he follow his heart?" |
With all respect, this summary probably wouldn't inspire me to read the story. It doesn't provide enough specific information. What is his father's edict, and how must Boromir decide to follow his heart? A story summary is your place to make your story distinctive from the other thousands floating around out there.
But I do agree with what you were saying.
Cheers,
Marta |
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sindohte

Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 1621 Location: Rubbing up against an Elf
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| Marta wrote: | | Quote: |
"The eldest son of Denethor is faced with a difficult choice. Does he carry out his father's edict as the captain of Gondor's troops, or does he follow his heart?" |
With all respect, this summary probably wouldn't inspire me to read the story. It doesn't provide enough specific information. What is his father's edict, and how must Boromir decide to follow his heart? A story summary is your place to make your story distinctive from the other thousands floating around out there.
But I do agree with what you were saying.
Cheers,
Marta |
Would this be better?
"The eldest son of Denethor is faced with the difficult choice to kill a group of suspected spies from Rohan. Does he carry out his father's edict as the captain of Gondor's troops, or does he follow his heart?"
I guess my personal bias is that if I put too much info in the summary, such as in this case, the reader may be turned off at the thought that Boromir may actually kill someone and that Denethor is crazy enough to order this in the fact place. And that might touch off the preconceived hot button issue of "crazy ole Denethor" and prevent someone from reading my story.
Because in my imaginary story, Denethor might have a very valid reason for wanting to execute someone. I would rather hook the reader in with the fact that they might like to read about Boromir and then once they start reading, set up the conflict within the first chapter.
For me personally, I don't mind a vague summary as long as I have a general sense of what the story is about. However by the time I finish reading the first chapter, I expect to know the main focus of the story. I am willing to give people at least a chapter or possibly two to get to the point of their story. But after that, I tend to lose interest quickly. _________________ abandon thought, and let the dream descend... |
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Ania

Joined: 08 Sep 2003 Posts: 198 Location: Britain
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the feedback thus far, okay, the fic that I'm referring too is actually the only fic I have posted on this site, here's the summary I have up at the moment for it:
'With the overrunning of Arthedain by the Witch-king, the kingdom of the Northern Dunédain was lost forever, their people became wanderers known as Rangers. But, to maintain the line of Isildur, the Chieftains of the scattered people dwelt within the elven-home of Rivendell, whilst small groups of their company roamed abroad. Known as 'rangers', these men roamed Middle Earth, aiding those in need and offering assistance to the kingdoms of men...'
Zzz you see what I mean? I just feel like it's a history lesson and if I read it, I know that I'd be put off, but I've changed the summary for the same fic about five times.
It's about a young warrior from the Dunédain about 100 years before Bilbo discovers the ring and happens during a time when the Rohirrim were having problems with the Dunlendings, he's leading a scouting party in pursuit of a group of Dunlendings and after killing them discovers a terrified Rohirrim girl, it's about how she's brought to Rivendell and her wound is gradually healed (tortured past, etc.) but I don't know how to put all this into one summary. I just want to say enough to intrigue the reader and get thm interested but I'm finding it difficult to word affectively. |
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BittenBuggy

Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 2108 Location: Busy Being the Queen Of Everything.. And Trying to Catch the Yoda-Copter
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:18 am Post subject: |
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I am bloody awful at summaries, so I offer you no advice... only sympathy!  _________________ -The Queen of Everything - so dubed by Aerin
-"My ultimate fantasy is to entice a man to my bedroom, put a gun to his head and say, 'Make babies or die'."
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Viv Challenge Admin

Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 71 Location: Texas
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not very good with summaries, but the best ones have come from other people. Maybe you could ask your beta to give you her two-sentence take on the story? |
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Leila
Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 0 Location: the Pegasus Galaxy
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| sindohte wrote: | | That is a good question. Could you give an example of a story that you have been having trouble writing a summary for? That way people can give you more specific input. |
How about my story An Elf in Aglarond? Right now I don't have a summary for it. All it says in the space is that it is a challenge entry. Suggestions/ideas greatly appreciated! I suck at summaries. _________________ A Drabble A Day Keeps The Bunnies At Bay |
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KhazarKhum

Joined: 02 Sep 2003 Posts: 234 Location: Quartz Hill, CA--USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Thanks for the feedback thus far, okay, the fic that I'm referring too is actually the only fic I have posted on this site, here's the summary I have up at the moment for it:
'With the overrunning of Arthedain by the Witch-king, the kingdom of the Northern Dunédain was lost forever, their people became wanderers known as Rangers. But, to maintain the line of Isildur, the Chieftains of the scattered people dwelt within the elven-home of Rivendell, whilst small groups of their company roamed abroad. Known as 'rangers', these men roamed Middle Earth, aiding those in need and offering assistance to the kingdoms of men...'
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Howzabout this:
A young Ranger must decide if he will help some of the strange people known as the Rohirrim. Set in the North before the events of "The Hobbit", with visits to Rivendell.
YMMV |
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Dragon
Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Posts: 18
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:41 am Post subject: |
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I personally hate summaries, and it's made all the more difficult by the fact different archives have different maximum lengths (ff.net's in much shorter than here for example). I figure that in fanfic most people want to read about the characters, so I try and put names in as much as I can, and then a 'Main Characters: Blah, Blah, Blah' thing.
I normally settle for a sentence or two about what the story is, sometimes mention short or long, and include any labelling words that might help people find what they're looking for... like 'cute elfling fic' or 'slash' or 'romance'. It's mostly just to get people to click on the title and then they can skim a bit or read the first few paragraphs and see if they like it.
I know that on ff.net when I read summaries I just skim down looking for names of characters I like, and if I see those I'll read the rest of the summary. |
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Marta
Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 24 Location: Bronx, NY
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Sorry I've been not around much the last few days; RL called.
| Quote: | Would this be better?
"The eldest son of Denethor is faced with the difficult choice to kill a group of suspected spies from Rohan. Does he carry out his father's edict as the captain of Gondor's troops, or does he follow his heart?" |
For me at least, I'd be much more likely to read this story now. I guess it depends on what you're looking for. If you are most interested in character or pairing or whatever, just mentioning the names should be enough; but then, you can get that much from the character list. I'm much more interested in reading an interesting premise than my favourite characters. And while I read most often stories featuring Denethor and his family, I've been known to really enjoy (and write) stories in other lands.
But like you said, different people like different things in their summaries.
Cheers,
Marta |
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Viv Challenge Admin

Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 71 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| Dragon wrote: | | I know that on ff.net when I read summaries I just skim down looking for names of characters I like, and if I see those I'll read the rest of the summary. |
This probably varies from person to person. If I'm cruising for a new fic to read, I avoid those "LGAC with some BDSM and MpRG. I'm horrible at summaries so just RR!!!!!!!!!!" stories like the plague.
Mainly, the things that turn me off are overuse of acronyms and overt begging for reviews in the summary. |
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SilverMoonLady

Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 1201 Location: Breaking in a Brandybuck... *wicked grin*
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| Viv wrote: |
Mainly, the things that turn me off are overuse of acronyms and overt begging for reviews in the summary. |
Ditto! We all want reviews, it goes without saying, but please! Fix your spelling and you might catch my attention and even a decent comment if it's written on a higher than 6th grade level!
*maintains her cool in the face of painfully bad fics & summaries*
But really, a good summary just has to catch your eye. It's different for everyone, but it seems we all agree that mentioning the characters involved, and a simple 1 or 2 sentence question/premise will do.
Luck!
SilverMoonLady |
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