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DarkElfChilde

Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 1013 Location: I'm located somewhere
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:25 am Post subject: Help Me Anyone? |
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I have maybe a few questions that I would liked answered as best as you can for the story that I'm writing.
One: I need to know where I can find names for orcs. Two male names and one female name. If anyone can help me with that, I'll give you a hug, a star, whatever.
Two: I don't have much information on Legolas, but I've read some that were posted on the forum that I've already seen on some sites about his age. I've read somewhere, and not sure if this is correct, but did Legolas get wounded sometime in his life? Because on this unknown site I was at, it said that he was shot with an arrow...if its true, then I know that I can make reference to that in a later chapter.
Three: I forgot this question, lucky you. Ha!
Anyway, hope any of you kind people can me with these questions. I will honestly to whoever does.
Your friendly elf,
DarkElfChilde or CK. _________________ [ ] |
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BittenBuggy

Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 2108 Location: Busy Being the Queen Of Everything.. And Trying to Catch the Yoda-Copter
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Orc names eh? Thats an interesting request. I would assume they would be safe to just make up, I dont think the black speech vocab is that extensive. *cowers before Andreth*
Legolas? There's just not a lot to know.
http://www.openscrolls.net/fanfic/story.php?no=79
Thats a fairly good story posted on this site. If you still have questions after that, ask away.  _________________ -The Queen of Everything - so dubed by Aerin
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Orc names - try thishttp://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/orkish.htm
It's a bit hard to read because of the colours but I like this site. Has most other Tolkien languages as well.  _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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Anna

Joined: 29 Jan 2004 Posts: 548 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Why not check out this site:
www.tinni.100megsfree5.com/canonNOfanon/
They´re really good at separating canon from fanon.
Orc-names? I have no idea, but you can have my made-up Orc-name -- Pogdush! I know, not very evil...  |
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DarkElfChilde

Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 1013 Location: I'm located somewhere
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Thank you for the links.  _________________ [ ] |
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Andreth
Joined: 24 Oct 2003 Posts: 1211
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Jess beat me to it. That's probably the best reference you'll find on the Black Speech. It's suspected that Tolkien based the Black Speech on ancient Sumerian, and I've taken to using Sumerian as a substitute. I've found some online dictionaries if you need any of them.
As for Legolas, you're on your own on most things about him. Nobody knows his age, hair color, eye color, mother... His father is Thranduil and his grandfather is Oropher, that's about the extent of his given family tree. I don't recall it ever being mentioned that Legolas was wounded with an arrow at any point, but surely it wouldn't be implausible that he had been wounded at some point in his life.
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DarkElfChilde

Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 1013 Location: I'm located somewhere
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:05 am Post subject: |
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I could use the dictionaries; I like all the info that I can get.  _________________ [ ] |
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Andreth
Joined: 24 Oct 2003 Posts: 1211
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:12 am Post subject: |
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I'm sorry, I have to hand out my usual warning for sites like this and Encyclopedia of Arda - always double check the information you find there. Many things are incorrect.
I noticed that the idea of Hobbits disliking being called Men was listed as being unknown if it was fanon or not, but in the Return of the King Pippin is very indignant at being called a Man:
"'Man!' cried Pippin, now thoroughly roused. 'Man! Indeed not! I am a hobbit and no more valiant than I am a man, save perhaps now and again by necessity. Do not let Gandalf deceive you!"
Off topic, I know, but just an example of why you should double check your sources.  |
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DarkElfChilde

Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 1013 Location: I'm located somewhere
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:20 am Post subject: |
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I used most of my information from Encyclopedia of Arda, mostly for the things that I need, like Sauron's history, the Valar and other subjects that I could find that could be good use for my story...the only book I have is the Simillirion (I think I spelled that wrong...looks wrong), but I misplaced it somewhere in my disaster area of a room.  _________________ [ ] |
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Andreth
Joined: 24 Oct 2003 Posts: 1211
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Andreth
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:26 am Post subject: |
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Here's a link to some online text of Tolkien's books including the trilogy, Unfinished Tales and the Silm
http://www.nwywre.com/library/tolkien/
A couple of other good sites for reference and to double check your info -
Annals of Arda http://www.annalsofarda.dk/
and The Thain's Book www.tuckborough.net
I've found the Thain's Book to be more accurate than any others I've seen.
Hope they help.  |
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DarkElfChilde

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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Thank you Anna. I have a lot of reseaching to do.  _________________ [ ] |
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Anna

Joined: 29 Jan 2004 Posts: 548 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I'm sorry, I have to hand out my usual warning for sites like this and Encyclopedia of Arda - always double check the information you find there. Many things are incorrect.
I noticed that the idea of Hobbits disliking being called Men was listed as being unknown if it was fanon or not, but in the Return of the King Pippin is very indignant at being called a Man:
"'Man!' cried Pippin, now thoroughly roused. 'Man! Indeed not! I am a hobbit and no more valiant than I am a man, save perhaps now and again by necessity. Do not let Gandalf deceive you!"
Off topic, I know, but just an example of why you should double check your sources. |
Yes I know, but it´s a good place to start, methinks.
Besides, we use you, my dear Anna, when we want to double check anything! That´s what you get for knowing pretty much everything!  |
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DarkElfChilde

Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 1013 Location: I'm located somewhere
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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I have another question...canon or fanon...since Sauron was a powerful being, or a sorcerer, and can change his forms to whatever he wanted, do you think he could do other things as well, like create minions, or something like that? I might not use this idea because I have another idea, but the second idea seems kind of (stupid) to me even though it's an alternative one. _________________ [ ] |
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Andreth
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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According to Tolkien, nobody could create life but Eru, or sentient life forms anyway. This was a rule he set early on and a big stumbling block in his Orc-creation ideas, but I won't ramble on about that.
Sauron could have created a life form, but it wouldn't have had a soul or independent thought. It could only do things it had been taught to do, in robotic or ant-like fashion, but it wouldn't be something capable of independent thought or feelings. It would basically be like an automaton, able only to give responses or actions that had already been programmed into it. Like the Golem of Jewish legend.
He could have taken an already-created being, like an Elf or Man, and used his powers to warp it into something that would serve him, such as what he did with the Ringwraiths. |
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