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| ghettoelleth wrote: | Al, I gave you the link to the feckin' archaic thesaurus child! And we found that smut one as well. bemember?
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Ummm Ghetto - your smut one had words like love muscle, meat, spanking the monkey, stiffy, make love see F*ck, and so on. I do not think they mean it to be used for LOTR fan fiction, probably more for Penthouse letters.
Ghetto - I do need that website address with the dirty phrases in Sindarin. Remember the one with the scary fan art that made you cry! 
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Alassante wrote: | | ghettoelleth wrote: | Al, I gave you the link to the feckin' archaic thesaurus child! And we found that smut one as well. bemember?
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Ummm Ghetto - your smut one had words like love muscle, meat, spanking the monkey, stiffy, make love see F*ck, and so on. I do not think they mean it to be used for LOTR fan fiction, probably more for Penthouse letters.
Ghetto - I do need that website address with the dirty phrases in Sindarin. Remember the one with the scary fan art that made you cry! |
Spanking the monkey? 
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject: Tolkien did indeed write the words for sex organs and sex |
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No joke!
Hey, Tolkien was a linguist. He did indeed write the words for male and female sex organs, as well as the word for the "wild" thing.
Yup, you LACE-ers can take note!
This was documented in a Tolkien study group and written about in a well-known essay.
Just FYI...
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Must be an American thing. That's the first slang term for sex I ever learned. I now realize why the 2nd-graders and high school kids are kept seperate on the school bus. 
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| VanatheEverYoung wrote: | | SpaceWeavil wrote: |
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Must be an American thing. That's the first slang term for sex I ever learned. I now realize why the 2nd-graders and high school kids are kept seperate on the school bus. |
Must be. I've never heard that one before  (and I don't know if I want to know the origins of the phrase  ).
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Tolkien did indeed write the words for sex organs and se |
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| Eruanna wrote: | No joke!
Hey, Tolkien was a linguist. He did indeed write the words for male and female sex organs, as well as the word for the "wild" thing.
Yup, you LACE-ers can take note!
This was documented in a Tolkien study group and written about in a well-known essay.
Just FYI...
--Eruanna |
Do you have a link to the essay or something like that? (Sorry - trainee lawyer. I don't believe anything until I've seen the primary source So I would want to know the provenance of the group and where they got their information from, ie was it Tolkien's notes or something). Only in three separate bits of (reliable) literature I have on Sindarin and Quenya, there are actually little jokey comments about how he didn't write those particular words. Also if there were 'canon' words available, why would there be all the discussion on what words you can use, as I'm sure someone would have come across this before? I'm not saying I don't believe you. Just confused. 
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject: Elf sex essay |
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Weevil:
Here is the link to the sex essay.
It is from a LOTR elf slash Web site, with NC-17, BDSM warnings, so if this is not your cup of tea, don't browse to the home page or anywhere else.
I find it to be a wonderful article! The writer is extremely well-versed in Tolkieniana, I am happy to say.
Yes, document, document, document!
http://www.ansereg.com/what_tolkien_officially_said_abo.htm[url]
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OK. (Having read that, btw, I still don't see why it should bother people who stick by the LACE, but never mind).
I'd still rather see the original (as in the wordlists mentioned) but I shall have to make do with that I suppose. Still, there is only one word (and Quenya at that) for each thing, so you would still have to think of some other way to say stuff in a sex scene, IMO.
And no, Angsereg doesn't offend me. Seen it before once. 
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:06 pm Post subject: Diction and the describing of a love scene |
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Weevil:
I try not to stick TOO close to cannon--one cannot have fanfiction then, after all.
It is interesting, however, too see what is indeed out there to work with! 
Once in a while I will throw in an archaism just to keep the tone of the story in another realm. The Silmarillion is much more weighty prose than the trilogy, in my opinion.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Diction and the describing of a love scene |
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| Eruanna wrote: | Weevil:
I try not to stick TOO close to cannon--one cannot have fanfiction then, after all.
It is interesting, however, too see what is indeed out there to work with!
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Well that's my view on it. I had this argument a long time ago with someone, but I've always, when I write, tried to stay within canon as much as I can. I think with something like LOTR there are so many gaps that you can still have fan fiction and keep to what the Professor wrote. In fact I find it interesting to add the constraints of canon and try to find a way to work around them. But that is just me. Like I said, I know people who were totally the opposite on this. (That person told me though that people who kept within canon were lower than the low and shouldn't be allowed in fan fiction. She's not an LOTR fan btw, this was on another forum for something else.)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Diction and the describing of a love scene |
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| Eruanna wrote: | Weevil:
I try not to stick TOO close to cannon--one cannot have fanfiction then, after all.
--Eruanna |
Trust me Euranna - I am so far from cannon and LACE, I make up for SW being so close to it. I not only throw the LACE manual out, I stomp on and set it on fire a few times.  Hey when I first of cannon and LACE I thought it was a new sex thing. Like SLASH. I didn't know what that was until in the middle of a story about Gimli and Legolas. And let me tell you something! That was NOT the best way to find out  I still get woozy when I think of that. And MPREG - they should have a warning out about that over at FF.net. I actually thought that was something in the book I missed because every other story had Legolas getting knocked up. Poor Legolas. In SLASH and MPREG, that poor little elf always gets it in the end. (no pun intended) I never got far enough into an MPREG story to find out - how the heck do they deliver those babies? Or do I want to know? If it is worse than Legolas and Gimli slash, I do NOT want to know!
Hey Euranna - I think I used your name in a story. Does it mean Grace or something close to that?
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| VanatheEverYoung wrote: | | SpaceWeavil wrote: |
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Must be an American thing. That's the first slang term for sex I ever learned. I now realize why the 2nd-graders and high school kids are kept seperate on the school bus. |
Ummmm....Vana, let's just clarify so Space doesn't get confused and makes a embarassing mistake when asking some american male to spank the monkey. It's not sex. Unless you consider it sex when you are all alone. Or rather a man is all alone. Personally, Vana could not spank the monkey. Well I guess she could, but it wouldn't be her own monkey. Space - are you getting what I saying or do I need to provide illustrations? 
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Alassante wrote: | | VanatheEverYoung wrote: | | SpaceWeavil wrote: |
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Must be an American thing. That's the first slang term for sex I ever learned. I now realize why the 2nd-graders and high school kids are kept seperate on the school bus. |
Ummmm....Vana, let's just clarify so Space doesn't get confused and makes a embarassing mistake when asking some american male to spank the monkey. It's not sex. Unless you consider it sex when you are all alone. Or rather a man is all alone. Personally, Vana could not spank the monkey. Well I guess she could, but it wouldn't be her own monkey. Space - are you getting what I saying or do I need to provide illustrations? |
So it's cavorting with Madam Palm and her five lovely daughters, to quote the League of Gentlemen
I don't think I would ask a male of any nationality to spank anything, to be honest. When you look like a female Grima, sex doesn't really come up in conversation that often. 
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject: Canon v. non-canon |
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Weevil:
I am sorry that you seem to think I advocate removing all canon and plausibility.
Not at all. Are not the guidelines of this site for using good sense with Tolkien's world and then playing with it? Some writers, for instance, pair LOTR characters with, say, Star Trek... and that is a bit of a stretch!
The thing about fan fiction is that you can stretch the rules as much as you like--or stick close to them. As for all of my unwed elves (nerri and missi)--they are all virgins. My male elves who were widowed in the First Age have no interest in sex if they turn up in a Third Age story. Very canon.
Alassante:
As for throwing out LACE, yes, that is OK, too! (Tee-hee!) That's what makes this so much fun! Again, how much we stretch canon is up to the author, but there, as you have noted with MPREG stories and the like, there is a limit.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Canon v. non-canon |
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| Eruanna wrote: | Weevil:
I am sorry that you seem to think I advocate removing all canon and plausibility.
Not at all. Are not the guidelines of this site for using good sense with Tolkien's world and then playing with it? Some writers, for instance, pair LOTR characters with, say, Star Trek... and that is a bit of a stretch!
The thing about fan fiction is that you can stretch the rules as much as you like--or stick close to them. As for all of my unwed elves (nerri and missi)--they are all virgins. My male elves who were widowed in the First Age have no interest in sex if they turn up in a Third Age story. Very canon.
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Well I'll apologise if I came across as crabby. I just get a bit defensive as I do get fed up of being told I'm a lesser writer because I stick to canon, or it being implied. (I'm not saying that was what you were doing, just because several people elsewhere did say that to me a lot, I get jumpy now. Which is bad, so like I said, I apologise). I may well be a lesser writer for other reasons, like I take twenty-odd chapters before I even get to the point of a story, and that is if the story actually has a point to begin with mind you.
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