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Elvenesse



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Yes, and I forgot to add: Welcome!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ves wrote:
Alassante,
Thank you for your kind words.. However, I have one thing to say.....Why is your avatar so small?... I would love to see that picture better......wink wink wink....... Wink

Ves


Trust me I have a full size one of Prince Elrohir but due to OSA size restrictions, I couldn't make him any bigger without cutting of part of his legs and I just couldn't go through with that.

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hehe, and before TexasGirl slips in here, HOWDY!!!!!!!


Yavanie - you gotta stop doing that to Texas, pretty soon she will be hunting you down to make sure you do not do it anymore!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hello it is a pleasure to meet you. Thank you for answering my post. It makes me feel good to have allies....Smile Quizz Amdin, uhmmmmm What an AWSOME Job..... I hope your real life is as fun... I can't wait to see what you come up with next......Smile



I must be honest here ... I'm a relatively new quiz admin. I'm munching on some new ones, though Very Happy ! Oddly enough, my real life consists of giving quizzes to my students ... Laughing !

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ZeeDrippyVessel



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to LOTR fanfiction and honestly - Harry Potter fanfiction as well.

Slash doesn't bother me that much (well, it does, I just don't read it unless it's R rated, insinuated I can deal with, it's when they break out the oil that I head for the hills.)

However, incest does me in. I can't stomach it at all. I don't CARE how gorgeous the twins are together (and I mean Elrohir and Elladan as well as the Weasley twins... in fact ANY Weasley with another Weasley!) and NO I don't want to see Eomer and Eowyn playing doctor either. It's NOT natural or normal in any world at all. (except in ancient times for royal families and even then.... ick!)

Another thing that really irks me is when someone writes a fic with 208705170746710 slash couples and 1 het couple and the author APOLOGIZES for the het couple and says there will as little of them as possible.

Rolling Eyes

Lovely. Just lovely.

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KhazarKhum



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not going to name names because that's bad form.

BUT the first year of the Mithrils, we had an entry that managed to involve slash, het, rape, incest , drug abuse, child molestation and pregnancy.

All in the first chapter.

And it was supposed to be a comedy.

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Ves



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LuthienTinuviel
I have been to the over at that other site too. It is a dificult place to talk about fan fiction. Also, the post are hard to follow. I see you live in Malaysia. I hope you and yours are safe and sound. Smile

Hello Elvenessse, Thank you for posting your link. I hope people are not getting the wrong impression of me being some kind of prude. I prefer, insinuated writing. . Most of us that are into LOTR, are very imaginative and we don't have to have highly graphic images thrown at us to know what is going on.

BTW it is a pleasure to meet you too..... Are you into fantasy art too? I noticed your avatar. Very striking. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KhazarKhum wrote:
I am not going to name names because that's bad form.

BUT the first year of the Mithrils, we had an entry that managed to involve slash, het, rape, incest , drug abuse, child molestation and pregnancy.

All in the first chapter.

And it was supposed to be a comedy.


It would almost have to be, wouldn't it? In bad taste, of course, but you couldn't expect someone to take that much fic-cliche seriously.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KhazarKhum wrote:
I am not going to name names because that's bad form.

BUT the first year of the Mithrils, we had an entry that managed to involve slash, het, rape, incest , drug abuse, child molestation and pregnancy.

All in the first chapter.

And it was supposed to be a comedy.

Machine Gun


DAMN! Shocked

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Elvenesse



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ves wrote:
Hello Elvenessse, Thank you for posting your link. I hope people are not getting the wrong impression of me being some kind of prude. I prefer, insinuated writing. Most of us that are into LOTR, are very imaginative and we don't have to have highly graphic images thrown at us to know what is going on.

BTW it is a pleasure to meet you too..... Are you into fantasy art too? I noticed your avatar. Very striking. Smile


I'd agree that insinuation is often all that's needed. Not that I've ever written smut.

I don't mind if something is graphic, but it has to be well written and fit into Tolkien's world. What I don't need is an anatomy lesson. Smile

I can't draw at all, but I do appreciate good art (mainly LotR stuff). I like my avatar, because, to me, it is a perfect picture of Melian if the colourings were changed (alas, I have no idea how to do that).

It's even better full-sized: http://photobucket.com/albums/v317/AlannaGrace/?action=view&current=Melian.jpg

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Late late late welcome, my dear! Very Happy

Aye, slash is a bit pervasive in the fandom, isn't it? I'll admit, there have been a few so very well written in terms of plot and characterization that I had to overlook the fact it was a wholy different interpretation than I had of the characters involved. But that is cetainly the exception rather than the rule. And if you think it's bad enough if one is a Legolas or Boromir fan, try being a Merry & Pippin fan! slash, incest and statutory rape!
But you needn't fret for you have found OSA! Wave

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't get it. What is so great about mpreg? It's against the laws of nature. Isn't it harder to logically explain how a man got pregnant and how the child grows in his belly and how he'll give birth than to describe the same feelings, that supposedly the pregnancy would cause in him, by putting him in other situations. Because it's all about the feelings it evokes, right? Let's say it's done to show his warmer side, motherly instincts. So can't a man be emotionally attached to a child without giving birth? I think the authors of those fanfics are just trying to do it the easy way.

And about slash: well I suppose that there are good stories as well but I’m just not able to get past the summary that announces that all the couples will be m/m - how possible is that in reality? So I’ve never got past a summary of any slash fics. If they didn’t mention it in the summary I stopped reading such stories when the first mention of slash appeared in the text. I admit I shouldn't judge something I’ve never read.

I could say that I don't read slash because it's far far from canon but then I should not read any stories involving any human /elf romances (apart Arwen/ Aragorn, Beren / Luthien etc.), since we know how very rare it was. Same goes for casual sex... :sniff:

I'm not even going to comment incest, twincest etc. Ick! Good think that Master Tolkien is not around to see it. I was raised Catholic and I know that most of the Church still views homosexuality as an illness that can be cured (although their therapies don't seem to work... Rolling Eyes ).

oh, and Elvenesse - the picture of Melian is really great. All the detail and light and shadow, impressive Smile

OSA is a safe haven for us all Smile I was ecstatic when I found this archive Very Happy

Um , I’ll better stop now. I haven’t been posting on the forums for over half a year and now I seem to need to write and write. If only I could write my stories like that… :sigh: My muse left me and 4 WIPs are stuck on my computer…
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TrissMarigold wrote:

And about slash: well I suppose that there are good stories as well but I’m just not able to get past the summary that announces that all the couples will be m/m - how possible is that in reality?


It is rather statistically unlikely Wink It might be possible for one, maybe two members of, for example, the Fellowship to be so inclined, but the idea that most or all of them are sporking each other rather than keeping a flame for the girl back home is rather inconceivable.


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*sends chocolates & beverages to wake the muse*

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are inevitably tons of mpregs submitted for the Mithrils. Leaving aside the physical difficulties involved, most never seem to rise above the juvenile humor aspect of the whole concept.

We did have one mpreg entry that was well-written & almost worked. The problem was that the conflict & opposition to the situation were resolved far too early in the story, robbing it of any sense of urgency.

It is phyically possible for a man to carry a fetus to term--all it has to do is attach to the liver. Such pregnancies have occurred (with females carrying, obviously). And lactation can be induced in men.

What am I suggesting? Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possible? Well, yes, with advanced technology, anything is possible... Probable, likely, desirable, in good taste... I doubt it very much Laughing
The thing of it is this (at least for me):
A male can be loving to his child, to the point of sacrifice.
A male couple can certainly deeply love a child they adopt (I know that from RL).
Two males can have a deep and binding relationship that is *not* one of sexual passion, but one of brotherhood, friendship, kin-love, etc.
Each of these characters can have deep and meaningful relationships with females, if the authors can be bothered to create and flesh out their spouses.
Any character can be placed in a situation where they feel: nurturing, fruitful, trapped, out-of-control, physically bound and/or blessed, uncomfortable, blissfully introspective, adored, etc all without being pregnant.

So why take this bizarre route of mpreg??

I don't think I'll ever understand it.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is phyically possible for a man to carry a fetus to term--all it has to do is attach to the liver. Such pregnancies have occurred (with females carrying, obviously). And lactation can be induced in men.

What am I suggesting?


Laughing I'm sure that no one at OSA will use that idea.

But... there is still the problem of creating the embryo. We need the ovum for that. We do need chromosomes from both sexes to create a human (or Elf) being, don't we?
I always hated biology in high school and now I feel that I have forgotten even the basics . Funny thing is that I study Psychology and I have now plenty of obligatory courses with elements of biology. Thankfully it's only the brain and neural system (neurobiology)- the most interesting part for me.

Anyway that was a bit Off Topic!

The thing that irks me is when it is Aragorn or other very-obviously-in-love-with-a-female guys, say Celeborn, Elrond that are in a slash pairing. They chose their loves, elleths and it won't change - the Valar put their stamp "Approved" on the relationships and added the clause "till the end of the world"- at least for the Elves. ....unless it is an AU. But then .... uh darn i need a coffee, i forgot what i wanted to say... Embarassed I guess I'm rather fond of canon pairings Wink

Oh, and thanks for the chocolates & beverages Sil. Very Happy
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