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Alassante Virtual Village Mod

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 20 Location: Hitchhiking to Rivendell
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:54 am Post subject: |
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Just a note and I don't know if anyone remembers it but Peter Jackson had some controversy over the Two Towers because it was released after 9/11 and the war with Afganistan. People thought it was in poor taste that the movie was named the Two Towers and the bad guys at the Black Gate were represented to look like they were from the Middle East. Read about it on this webpage. Rumor is the scene with Sam and Frodo after the Nazgul flew overhead where Sam said "There is good in the world Mr. Frodo and its worth fighting for" or something similar was an added scene in support/sympathy to those of 9/11 and the soldiers in the war on Terror. I'm going mostly on memory here so feel free to tell me I'm crazy. lol
If you look deep enough into any movie about wars you can find something to be controversal or political about. While I have no Iranian friends, I do have friends in Greece and the Greeks seem to be divided about the movie. Most think its the best thing since sliced bread and does Greece proud. A few are annoyed that movies and culture (don't even get them started about My Big Fat Greek Wedding ) portray the Greeks and their history inaccurately.
I think its important to remember that it IS a movie for entertainment and not a political agenda. Like people who hate fanfiction about certain characters or plot lines, Or people that hate a certain type of music. I think to myself if you don't like it - you have the option of not reading it/watching it/listening to it.
BTW Good article Do.  _________________ Nagzul #2 - The Nazgul of Shmoove
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vladazhael

Joined: 15 Dec 2005 Posts: 171 Location: Gone mad, back later
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Ooo, very good article indeed!
It's probably also worth noting along with the whole debate that though the audience is led to empathize with the Spartans, and though it's an American movie, Americans really only have limited claim to the cultural heritage of ancient Greece. No matter how many ways our science and literature has been shaped by Socrates and the like, and no matter how much the writers might project modern ideals onto the characters ("Freedom is not free?" That's Frank Miller, not the real Spartans.), we can hardly say "Oh, we're just like those guys!" when we're many miles, many centuries, and many cultural shifts removed from what actually happened to inspire the story as told in the movie. Hell, the Sparta I'm geographically closest to every day is a small town full of NASCAR fans.
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 160 Location: In a motel 6 by the airport
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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"And Memphis, that's a small city, home of Elvis, and the ancient greeks!" -Talking Heads
| vladazhael wrote: | | Hell, the Sparta I'm geographically closest to every day is a small town full of NASCAR fans. |
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Sirannon
Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 67 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Political discussion aside, I found this one moderately amusing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43ZCAt7Bw-g&NR
300 the PG rated version _________________ "All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom." - Albert Einstein |
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Sirannon
Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 67 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: |
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oops wrong link!
This was the one I meant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNqiSkd1M6k _________________ "All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom." - Albert Einstein |
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RJLCyberPunk

Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 89 Location: Ponce, Puerto Rico
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| Alassante wrote: | Just a note and I don't know if anyone remembers it but Peter Jackson had some controversy over the Two Towers because it was released after 9/11 and the war with Afganistan. People thought it was in poor taste that the movie was named the Two Towers and the bad guys at the Black Gate were represented to look like they were from the Middle East. Read about it on this webpage. Rumor is the scene with Sam and Frodo after the Nazgul flew overhead where Sam said "There is good in the world Mr. Frodo and its worth fighting for" or something similar was an added scene in support/sympathy to those of 9/11 and the soldiers in the war on Terror. I'm going mostly on memory here so feel free to tell me I'm crazy. lol
If you look deep enough into any movie about wars you can find something to be controversal or political about. While I have no Iranian friends, I do have friends in Greece and the Greeks seem to be divided about the movie. Most think its the best thing since sliced bread and does Greece proud. A few are annoyed that movies and culture (don't even get them started about My Big Fat Greek Wedding ) portray the Greeks and their history inaccurately.
I think its important to remember that it IS a movie for entertainment and not a political agenda. Like people who hate fanfiction about certain characters or plot lines, Or people that hate a certain type of music. I think to myself if you don't like it - you have the option of not reading it/watching it/listening to it.
BTW Good article Do.  |
No you are absolutely right the extreme left and the pro-Islamists etc did had their panties in a bunch over basically all the LOTR films not just the 2 towers... Incidentally the persian soldiers in 300 just like in the 2 towers are wearing headscarfs that cover their faces not unlike those used by the modern day jihadists that blow themselves up in crowded places and chop people's heads off left and right worldwide in the name of their religion. Well in any event I care nothing for the opinion of such cowards and their supporters... _________________ [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/RJLCyberPunk/My_sig4.jpg[/img]
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Rhapsody

Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 1153 Location: Maglor's Lap
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| RJLCyberPunk wrote: |
No you are absolutely right the extreme left and the pro-Islamists etc did had their panties in a bunch over basically all the LOTR films not just the 2 towers... |
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vladazhael

Joined: 15 Dec 2005 Posts: 171 Location: Gone mad, back later
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Rhapsody wrote: | | RJLCyberPunk wrote: |
No you are absolutely right the extreme left and the pro-Islamists etc did had their panties in a bunch over basically all the LOTR films not just the 2 towers... |
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I don't know, Rhaps. I don't remember having my panties in a twist. Must have missed my Extreme Left Pro-Islamist Newsletter that week. _________________ Take no prisoners. Though use handcuffs, by all means.
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Ottis413

Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 292 Location: West Virginia, USA
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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I prefer to leave my politics and-or religion (or lack of) at the cinema door when I go see a movie. I generally avoid movies with an agenda or some political ax to grind.. the line Freedom isn't free kinda' stuck out in the movie, but other then that I don't think they really tried to get obviously political.
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inglor

Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 853 Location: Not here, not there, not anywhere
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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My friend nudged me about the Spartans fighting for freedom line. I replied: "Forget about it, she's on a roll" (bonus points for those who recognize that line...) _________________ Hi, My name is Inglor and I am a Tolkien Geek (sub-species: Silgeek)
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inglor

Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 853 Location: Not here, not there, not anywhere
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| dolarabee wrote: |
do. (just thinking she ought to remind people that usually political and racial issues turn nasty on forums) |
Amen.
Very Nasty, just google "300" and watch the fur fly.
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DarkElfChilde

Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 1013 Location: I'm located somewhere
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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I fully enjoyed this movie. It's an action film with a message, it had all of two levels:
Orgasmic action the likes of which we have not seen in a wide-release movie. [Okay, so I like violence...>.>]
Deep and clear messages: Freedom or Death, loyalty over power or wealth, great sacrifice by the few to save the many, put your life where your mouth is, the free man who fights for his freedom is greater than a hundred enslaved soldiers, when you piss off Sparta, start praying. _________________ [ ] |
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DarkElfChilde

Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 1013 Location: I'm located somewhere
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, and one more thing, the graphic novel is awesome. _________________ [ ] |
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