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Ania



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd definitely be up for another one and would also like to repeat the earlier sentiments expressed by others. Thanks so much for organising this challenge because it's been a very positive experience certainly for me as a writer. I hadn't done much writing for ages and this helped me to regain a lot of my confidence so thanks a bunch for the support guys Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*hugs Ania* You're welcome. Very Happy Glad it did so much good. (And I got your email. It looks fine to me.)

I think part of what made this event so (surprisingly, some might say) easy to organize was having a 30 day month in which to write. It's with that in mind that I suggest the next Breaking Type Challenge begin on November 1st and go until November 30th. We'd have to actually post the challenge around October 23rd and character assignments/lists would go out on All Hallows/Halloween/31st October. Smile

But, that said, some things to discuss:

1. Would we want to attempt to 'break type' again, or perhaps run with a specific variation, such as "first person POV" or "change your usual genre", instead of "just do what's different for you"?

2. Is the assignation of characters/limitation of choices enough, or are the two converging angles of the challenge what made it work so well, generally?

3. How was the time factor/deadline? Too long? Too short? Too rigid?

4. What was the biggest issue, problem, or concern you had this time around and why? Should something be done to eliminate it next time?

5. Do we want to limit the number of participants? Why or why not?

Finally: Thanks go to Viv and Eira for helping me keep things going and just generally being awesome and willing sets of hands. Thanks to everyone else who offered their help as well, even if I didn't summon you in my hour of need. Smile

Now I just have to get my story post worthy.... Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think November would be a really bad time to do it Neume. Not only the Thanksgiving holiday for the American's but also isn't that when MEFA voting ends? Most people end up reading and reviewing a lot in November. I remember the last 3-4 years that seemed to be the reason why alot of people weren't writing so much in November because of that. The others that weren't writing fanfiction were writing NaNoWriMo which is in November too.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1. Would we want to attempt to 'break type' again, or perhaps run with a specific variation, such as "first person POV" or "change your usual genre", instead of "just do what's different for you"?


We could list maybe three or four styles (first-person, poetic form, third person limited, epic, etc) and ask folks to pick one that they don't usually use.

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2. Is the assignation of characters/limitation of choices enough, or are the two converging angles of the challenge what made it work so well, generally?


I don't think it's *too much* of a challenge to write an unusual character and in an unusual style. I enjoyed it.

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3. How was the time factor/deadline? Too long? Too short? Too rigid?


Worked really well for me.

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4. What was the biggest issue, problem, or concern you had this time around and why? Should something be done to eliminate it next time?


Can't think of anything.

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5. Do we want to limit the number of participants? Why or why not?


Nope. OSA challenges are all about feeding muses, and if more muses are hungry, we should do the humanitarian thing. That said, if participation grows so much that you need help in the organizaing part, please feel free to shout for help! Smile

I'll second what Alassante said about November: it's a rough month all around, which is the reason I've never succeeded at NaNo (if NaNo were in March, I'd kick booty!). End of the summer might be nice... Augusty or so. Or midwinter (for the northern hemisphere), like January (folks tend to have a little extra time then, for one reason or another).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeumeIndil wrote:


But, that said, some things to discuss:

1. Would we want to attempt to 'break type' again, or perhaps run with a specific variation, such as "first person POV" or "change your usual genre", instead of "just do what's different for you"?



I think people had too much trouble with the breaking the type thing. Maybe a specific variation would be better. Something like "first person POV" or "first age fic" would still be challenging but not cramp anyone's writing style. I think what people liked most was writing about characters they hadn't written about before.

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2. Is the assignation of characters/limitation of choices enough, or are the two converging angles of the challenge what made it work so well, generally?


Personally, I liked writing about someone new and writing in a way I hadn't before. But that's just me.

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3. How was the time factor/deadline? Too long? Too short? Too rigid?


Worked great for me. It wasn't long enough to encourage me to procrastinate and wasn't short enough that I felt too pressured.

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4. What was the biggest issue, problem, or concern you had this time around and why? Should something be done to eliminate it next time?


Most of my issues were confidence issues, and this actually helped with those.

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5. Do we want to limit the number of participants? Why or why not?


The more the merrier, I say. I think this challenge has created some great fics. I can only imagine that interest will increase when others read them. I enjoyed not only the writing but the encouragement I got from all of those who participated. I think anyone who wants a bit of that encouragement should be allowed to join in

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Finally: Thanks go to Viv and Eira for helping me keep things going and just generally being awesome and willing sets of hands.


Big Hug Big Hug You're welcome. I'll help with any future challenges in any way I can.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Viv wrote:
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1. Would we want to attempt to 'break type' again, or perhaps run with a specific variation, such as "first person POV" or "change your usual genre", instead of "just do what's different for you"?


We could list maybe three or four styles (first-person, poetic form, third person limited, epic, etc) and ask folks to pick one that they don't usually use.


I like this idea. I think if it was just "first person POV" some people will have already done it to death, and so it won't be as much fun for them. A list of choies to choose from would be nice, I've never written anything longer than 3,000 words so 'epi' would be good for me. I'd be quite happy with just "change your usual genre".

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2. Is the assignation of characters/limitation of choices enough, or are the two converging angles of the challenge what made it work so well, generally?


I really liked writing about a character I never would have thought of before. Personally, I liked being assigned a letter and being able to choose from that, as it gave me a little more freedom.

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3. How was the time factor/deadline? Too long? Too short? Too rigid?


It was pretty much perfect for me.

eiranae wrote:
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4. What was the biggest issue, problem, or concern you had this time around and why? Should something be done to eliminate it next time?


Most of my issues were confidence issues, and this actually helped with those.


Same for me. I feel so much more confident now that I have completed this challenge.

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5. Do we want to limit the number of participants? Why or why not?


The more the merrier, I say. I think this challenge has created some great fics. I can only imagine that interest will increase when others read them. I enjoyed not only the writing but the encouragement I got from all of those who participated. I think anyone who wants a bit of that encouragement should be allowed to join in.


I couldn't put this better myself. The encouragement from this challenge really boosted my confidence and it was just fun in general. I think more people should be allowed, as long as they are willing to throw themselves into the spirit of it Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good questions! here's my two cents:
NeumeIndil wrote:
1. Would we want to attempt to 'break type' again, or perhaps run with a specific variation, such as "first person POV" or "change your usual genre", instead of "just do what's different for you"?
I like the idea of trying different styles. If we're not sure we will continue this after one more, I think multiple choice is in order. Otherwise, we could make it a series. So part of the challenge could be to write from a perspective you rarely if ever use. This part of the challenge could also be assigned ... that would make it very challenging, e.g. write first person narrative about a nazgul -or- your character is Ghan-Buri-Ghan and your style is comedy ...

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2. Is the assignation of characters/limitation of choices enough, or are the two converging angles of the challenge what made it work so well, generally?
For me the interesting thing was being assigned a character and having to stick with that; the 'breaking type,' while intriguing, ultimately cemented me in my preferred approach, though it was a good exercise to have tried to do something different.

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3. How was the time factor/deadline? Too long? Too short? Too rigid?
Just fine. I like clear deadlines with lots of wiggle room in between ("rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty.")

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4. What was the biggest issue, problem, or concern you had this time around and why? Should something be done to eliminate it next time?
The biggest issue I had was just that 'breaking type' proved to be almost impossible, so in one sense I failed the challenge. That's not something that could be or should be changed, however.

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5. Do we want to limit the number of participants? Why or why not?
I think not. If it is not too difficult to administer, then the more the merrier.

As for timing, I'd like to just get one going again ASAP and would be glad to help on the admin.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay. Group consensus thus far would make the following modifications:

1) Still a 1 mo. deadline, but the length of the month doesn't matter.

2) November being too close to the holiday and NaNo/MEFA season would push it back until January or nudge it forward to August/September. (The OCD organizer in me says September and post the challenge in mid August. Sound better Al and everybody?)

3) Multiple choice of how to 'break your norm', offering 3-4 ways to change what you'd normally do. Probably for organization's sake again, I'd set the list up with one from each of something like this: a genre [humor, romance, spooky/horror], a style [fixed length/drabble series, poem, novel], a setting [Harad, the Caves of Aglarond, Tol Eressea], or the option to be given a random character/letter.

I'm very glad to hear that this challenge got so much creativity flowing and showed others reasons to be confident in what they write. That's what this exercise was used for with many of my Asian students learning to write in English on a university level. I haven't read most of the entries yet, but I've really liked what I've seen, and I'm actually pretty comfortable with what I wrote, after a lot of nudging and cheerleading from Viv and Binka. (More dancing vegitation for them! Broccoli Carrot Banana ) I feel like here, just with my former students, it's fostered a stronger sense of community than we've seen on these boards in the past few months, and that's something I missed. Crying or Very sad

Okay. Mushy moment over. I've got a story to post.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's up! Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like all the suggestions and will pretty much go with 'whatever'. I liked the stucture of this - evan as Nancy said, if the 'break' didn't work, we all were motivated and all tried something new. I think the fics that have come out of this challenge are maybe the best collection I have seen in a long time - really amazing.

One suggestion I think would be fun, is after the dice are rolled for a character, roll them again for a POV.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey all. A couple of things:

1. I'm planning, per suggestions, to start the second incarnation of the challenge in about 2 weeks, as far as asking for it to be posted and getting people started with registration. That way, we'll have the whole month of September (30 days) to write and still miss the fuss of holidays, NaNoWriMo, MeFA finals, etc. Any problems or issues with this?

2. I'm planning, again per suggestions, to give 3 or 4 options for participants to choose from for their challenge. The list will probably look something like this:
1) Write from a second person perspective.
2) Write a hurt/comfort scene that is canon-supported/seen in the trilogy (i.e. Sam sitting with Frodo as he recovers in Rivendell).
3) Write a parody, comedy or otherwise humorous fic.
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4) Request a random character.

3. Regarding that random character assignation, how does everybody feel about Suliriel's suggestion that, when I roll for someone's character, I also roll for a point of view, or working off of that, story type (drama, humor, gap-filler)?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that all sounds good, Neume. Thanks for taking this on again! I will definately be participating.

NeumeIndil wrote:
Hey all. A couple of things:

1. I'm planning, per suggestions, to start the second incarnation of the challenge in about 2 weeks, as far as asking for it to be posted and getting people started with registration. That way, we'll have the whole month of September (30 days) to write and still miss the fuss of holidays, NaNoWriMo, MeFA finals, etc. Any problems or issues with this?

2. I'm planning, again per suggestions, to give 3 or 4 options for participants to choose from for their challenge. The list will probably look something like this:
1) Write from a second person perspective.
2) Write a hurt/comfort scene that is canon-supported/seen in the trilogy (i.e. Sam sitting with Frodo as he recovers in Rivendell).
3) Write a parody, comedy or otherwise humorous fic.
OR
4) Request a random character.

3. Regarding that random character assignation, how does everybody feel about Suliriel's suggestion that, when I roll for someone's character, I also roll for a point of view, or working off of that, story type (drama, humor, gap-filler)?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeumeIndil wrote:


3. Regarding that random character assignation, how does everybody feel about Suliriel's suggestion that, when I roll for someone's character, I also roll for a point of view, or working off of that, story type (drama, humor, gap-filler)?


Sounds great to me. I'll definitely be participating again! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'll be in this time as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am in.
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