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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:45 am    Post subject: Sean A's recently published book Reply with quote

Hi all,
Hope this is the right forum to stick this in. Was at local Chapters today(huge book store in Canada)and browsed thru Sean's book. I was going to buy it....until I started to read a few pages in various chapters. I was a little disappointed Confused It certainly wasn't what I thought it would be. While he might have been writing the truth from his perspective, he certainly didn't hold back or candy coat it, did he? I just found he would make statements and then follow up with a bandaid type attitude. I found him very defensive or perhaps I mean, the recounting of the events, he seemed often on the defensive. Am I missing something???
Thoughts?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't read it, but it's reviewed this month in Empire magazine, and it sounds as if it's just a bit of an ego trip for him.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it surprising? Of all the cast, Sean A. is the one that grates on my nerves the most because he sounds so absolutely full of himself.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair Sean A is a great guy or he wouldn't be held in such high regard by the cast...yes he may seem a little full of himself but so do the others whether they realize it or not.

as to the book I haven't read any exerpts but i do know that his childhood wasn't the greatest and when that happens to you and you talk about it...it's hard to not sound egotistical because you only know the story from your point of view.

see where I'm getting at? I'm not saying anyone's wrong just saying that Sean's better traits need to be recognized....i don't want to make anyone mad..I'm only a newbie! LOL

He may very well feel a bit defensive of it all...maybe not defensive as in...say that he's defensive of how he reacted but maybe the people in the situations...as i said..I haven't read the book....don't hurt me! Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Artanis - that is a very mature view point. Very well put.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I browsed through it as well and I think there is a high probability that he has Bi-Polar. He may have mentioned it in the book that he did and I didn't see it but he discusses it being in his family.

There was one part in the book where he talks about being at some event with Orlando and Orlando turned to talk to some big wig in the movie industry and Sean felt like he was blowing him off. When he got mad about it and told Orlando, Orlando was shocked because he didn't think he had blown him off. Sean admits that he probably over-reacted.

I have seen a lot of Bi-Polar and it is in my family as well. His oversensitivity and fear of being disregarded when someone 'better' comes along makes me think that he has this disorder but I might be wrong.

What I read was pretty interesting but if you are looking for a behind the scenes look - this is probably not for you. He talks about the cast and the movie but he talks a lot about his feelings and things from his perspective so it can be kind of distracting because I feel he was more of the outsider while Orlando, Elijah, Billy and Dom were tight. They were all young and single and ready to party. Sean had a wife and child there. They were in different places in their life and I think Sean hovered on the outside of that group.

He does talk about the one night he was finally able to go out drinking with the boys and Elijah had lost his keys to his rom. Sean spent the whole night trying to get keys for Elijah's room while Elijah drank and had fun. In Elijah's mind it would work itself out so why worry about it. In Sean's mind it had to be fixed so he did. He compared their relationship to Frodo and Sam sometimes.

He also talks about how Stuart Townson was in all of the pre-production weapons training and so on and how weird it was when he left and Viggo came in. I think he was fond of both of them but was shocked the way Stuart left.

I want to read it because I found his viewpoint interesting. But I understand where he is coming from because he is supersensitive and feels slightly like an outsider. Which I tend to do as well. Plus if you think about it everyone else has gotten big movie/TV parts and tons of fans after the movie. Sean was talked about for an Oscar yet he doesn't have people knocking down his door with offers. Orlando's popularity exploded while Sean's fizzled yet Sean was the more predominate role in the three movies and was the only one talked about for the Oscar.

I found him more sad than egotistical. Sad Crying or Very sad Sad Crying or Very sad Sad Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is Bi-Polar? I couldn't find it in a dictionary (not as a psychological disorder), but the description sounds awfully familiar to me, since I too suffer from over-sensitiveness at times... I'd love to know more about this.
Haven't seen Sean A's book yet though, but I might take a look at it if I find it someday. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

try Manic Depression, Eyborg
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, so it's the same thing? I think I know what that is... thanks! Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeh, I just finished reading like an hour ago....

Yeh, I was diappointed and quite frankly shocked at what I read. He does sincerly come across as very paranoid and overly sensitive, suffers from "foot-in-mouth", meaning his mouth is faster than his brain, reacts too quickly to things, tries too hard at being what he perceives what he should be instead of just being himself and trying to have fun, and is the biggest name-dropping, college-drama class espousing on his descriptions of actors and the movies he's done (he can't just say "elijah Wood was in The Ice Storm." He has to say, "Elijah Wood was in the Ice Storm, Ang Lee's quietly haunting story of domestic upheaval in a suburban Connecticut neighborhood." Which, to me, is mildly pretentious in the way that reminds me of an ex-boyfriend back in college. You know the type, the pompus film school student who has to proselytise these grandiose explanations and definitons of a film, that pretty much strips away any sort of simplistice simple look at it, to where it pretty much ruins it for you, and well, seems pompous. Mostly because you wonder if that is in his own words or he's just quoting soemoen else to impress you because they have no original thoughts of their own.... Good time....good times....

But on the other hand, it was hard to read, cuz I see a lot of myself in him with the whole "foot-in-mouth" thing.... and the apparent lack of self esteem, with a dash of paranoia at times (though I am not as bad as I was when I was a teenager, you do eventually grow out of some things, though everyone agrees that I seriously lack tact...)

For him to say Ian Mckellen was "self-centrered and selfish" is sort of "pot...kettle...kettle..pot"... ya know...

And yeh he totally overreacts over the most inane of situations...

But, he is just trying to be honest and not sugar coat the whole experience and relationship of the Fellowship... So for those who want to keep this picture perfect glossy image of the Fellowchip ebing this comraderie of friendship and closennes that knows no bounds, then I wouldn't read this book, cuz it will shatter your image... But at the same time, this is just one persons view of things, Sean is slightly off kilter with his perceptions of things, and he is overly sensitive, and so his experience was different than Elijah's, Orli, Billy, and Dom's... So I think a book by any of them will come across differently, so it's just his take on things, and I don't think he means any harm by it...

But all in all, it is a hinest insight into one person's view on an epic life altering experience.... but I think he's trying too hard... he should just relax...

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

though everyone agrees that I seriously lack tact...
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That's okay Falling, we'll start a club.

I think Sean's perspective on things is very much colored by his manic depression. I would like to take the opportunity however, to say a 'big shame on you' to the eidtor. I certainly hope it wasn't a friend of his. I can understand the publisher being thrilled with Sean's inability to put perspective on his feelings (manic depressives have a propensity toward being hyper sensitive), I'm sure he thought it would sell more books, but to think that an editor would allow an author, especially an inexperienced one such as Sean Astin, to hang his butt in the wind like that, is just bad form. The reviewers might try using a little gentler glove as well. (Premiere Mag called him "Frodo's bitch") I kinda feel sorry for the guy.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it's nice to know I am not the only one lacking in tact...

My parents always told me to be honest.. and so I am... a little too honest at times.... but oh well....

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FallingIntoStrangers wrote:
For him to say Ian Mckellen was "self-centrered and selfish" is sort of "pot...kettle...kettle..pot"... ya know...



Well ... am I feeling vindicated ... Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ghettoelleth wrote:
though everyone agrees that I seriously lack tact...
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That's okay Falling, we'll start a club.

I think Sean's perspective on things is very much colored by his manic depression. I would like to take the opportunity however, to say a 'big shame on you' to the eidtor. I certainly hope it wasn't a friend of his. I can understand the publisher being thrilled with Sean's inability to put perspective on his feelings (manic depressives have a propensity toward being hyper sensitive), I'm sure he thought it would sell more books, but to think that an editor would allow an author, especially an inexperienced one such as Sean Astin, to hang his butt in the wind like that, is just bad form. The reviewers might try using a little gentler glove as well. (Premiere Mag called him "Frodo's bitch") I kinda feel sorry for the guy.


Just out of curiousity why are they calling him Frodo's bitch? Because of something Sean did or something Sam does?

Does anyone know if he has actually admitted to being BiPolar/Manic Depression? I know from experience that people who have it and are not being treated for it can be quite difficult because of their mood swings (called cycling). While some BiPolar people have very distinct mood swings that are not rapid - they made stay at a low for most of the time with the occasional high that is very obvious - others have rapid mood swings that come and go so fast they can be in a manic mood (up) in the morning and depressed (down) in the afternoon. Also manic moods are not the same for each person. While one person could have a manic mood that consists of talking really fast, being very upbeat to the point of bouncing off the walls, jittery, always on the go others have irritation, temper tantrums, out of control behavior, violence is possible, plus they have grandiose ideas in their head and they may not even realize it. Like they could think they are the best in the world or they are so much smarter, prettier, etc. than the next person. It is possible that he has the latter which would explain his ego problems. While he is up and saying - Ian is self centered and selfish - he is thinking he is so much better than him. But if he is down, he might be upset that Orlando would turn from him to talk to another person and read into it that Orlando was brushing him off for someone better.

Probably more than you wanted to know about Bipolar but I have much experience with it in my family and I have seen the two opposite types of bi-polar mood swings. They are very distinct.

I feel sorry for him personally. I think he may have made a mistake writing this book because it does show a slight bitterness to the whole "fellowship" of the movie. It seems that the others (Viggo, Orlando, Billy, Dom, Elijah, Liv) have a fondness for each other that they show frequently in public - hugs, kisses, belly bumps, etc. You never see Dom kissing Sean like you have seen Dom kissing Orlando. In fact I have seen the before mentioned people either in a tight embrace or kissing each other in tons of photos yet I rarely see Sean even in the photos from premiers at all. Even Bernard Hill and Andy Serkis seems to get in on the action sometimes as well. I also do not see Sean Bean, David Wenham, Karl Urban, etc. promoting the movie or hugging and kissing on the other actors. I am sure that some of the actors felt like this was a job and at the end of it, it was time to move on while the others felt it was a huge bonding experience as well. There may have just been a closeness between Viggo, Orlando, Billy, Dom, Elijah, and sometimes Liv that wasn't there for the others. But I think Sean feels like he should have had that bond and it wasn't there.

Has anyone heard the core group or the other actors say anything in reference to the book. Any comments from them?

Sorry for the long wordy post but I had to throw my two cents in or in the case of this long post - I had to throw my five dollars in!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He has made it very clear that wants to be a director, and made a short film to prove it. The film was OK, but rather obvious in plot.

As for bi-olar: His mother, Patty Duke, has had a lot of problems. It's possible that she passed some on to Sean.
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