[ghettoelleth]

I should probably go to the walking index on everything ever written on the planet that is the Weavil but it's funner to make her hunt me down.

I need a reference point for a couple of things and I'm covered in paper cuts from thumbing throught HoME, UT, Silm, etc.

Number one, creating the hroa, a how to? I need more info on who, what, where, when the Valar created the hroa for the Firstborn.

Number two, I need more info on Osse's brief fall from grace with Melkore.

Number three, I need a detailed map of Mithlond, Firth of Lhune area.

Thanx!
Jes

[SpaceWeavil]

Off top of my head, I can answer the last one. I have never been able to find a detailled map of Mithlond, nor any proper description. Can tell you that for nothing as I've been looking for one for the last week for Alliance and Grey Havens. In the end I just scribbled my own little map down in my notes and used that. It has gates, as mentioned in RotK, but that was about as technical as I could find regarding its layout.

There is information on the creation of the elves by Illuvatar in the Silm, in the chapter entitled Ainulindalë, about how the elves came into the Music of the Ainur. There's also some physical info on the hroar in Laws and Customs of the Eldar in Morgoth's Ring, vol X of HoME.

Not sure about the Ossë thing. Hopefully Anna/Andreth will come across this thread though, as I am sure she will know, and might be able to give more detail on the other two questions as well.

[sindohte]

At my parents right now dealing with fixing my mom's puter, but I will check my index later tonight and see what I can find as to your first two questions. But off the top of my head I would say that it was Illuvatar and not the Valar who gave life aka hroae (I think that is the plural) to the First Born. There is that section in the Silm where Aule creates the 7 Dwarf Fathers. If you go back and search the Books forum there is at least one discussion thread talking about how Melkor created Orcs by corrupting Elves because he could not create life/a soul ex nihilio like Illuvatar. There may be some useful info for you in that particular discussion.