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Forest



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:02 pm    Post subject: Writing a decent thriller Reply with quote

I have dabbled in writing within several different genres in fanfic during the past few years, but the one I have never gone near; even with a bargepole is the thriller.

I have never had much confidence in starting writing a thriller fic because frankly, I do not have even the basic knowledge of what goes into writing one - and making it good.

Any advice would be very much appreciated.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What sort of a thriller is it? Supernatural, spy thing, psychological etc.? Is it primarily action based, or a mystery sort of thing?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is my favorite genre...thriller...but mostly horror stories (but mine are original stories and not in the LotR fandom). What I can tell you if you're wanting to try writing one is to start out with a supernatural thriller, and then work your way up the ladder to the other types of thrillers and/or horror.

Any questions or if you need help, pm me or tell me here.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DarkElfChilde wrote:
This is my favorite genre...thriller...but mostly horror stories (but mine are original stories and not in the LotR fandom). What I can tell you if you're wanting to try writing one is to start out with a supernatural thriller, and then work your way up the ladder to the other types of thrillers and/or horror.

Any questions or if you need help, pm me or tell me here.


- DEC


Can I just ask you something, since this is relevant to me also. My original fiction was purely fantasy, sort of Terry Pratchett style, until I started into fan fic, and then I have drifted more towards 'thriller' stories. Perhaps not in LOTR stuff, but certainly in my UFO fan fic. That was all sci-fi / supernatural / psychological stuff.

Recently though I've been fiddling with an idea for an original fiction, which hopefully is going to turn out to be my new novel, and it is sort of borderline fantasy, but mainly it is a ghost / mild horror story.

So could you explain what you mean by starting in supernatural and moving up to horror, as obviously this is of interest to me in thinking about my book as well. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the prompt replies. Very Happy I was thinking more along the lines of suspense/psychological and possibly with a twist. You know, the kind that messes with your head, but still makes you want to read on.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was just my opinion, not so sure how other thriller/horror writers started out, but for me I liked reading about haunted houses, vampires, werewolves, ghosts, and all that stuff. I liked those and wanted to write my own, and that was when I was 12. I wrote a lot of those, and then started going to different areas as I was getting used to writing how characters react to each other and situations that would scare them...and maybe a lot too.

With my horror series that I'm working on now, 4 years ago I was thinking about having the main character be an "evil" one instead of being the good guy, it's a long story actually of why he's evil, which he never started out that way, and the town he lives near has it's dark secrets and the older people (starting with the seniors in the high school) are as evil as he. He can't leave the place that they've cursed him to stay at, and people go to his "territory" to see if the stories about him are true, but end up being killed by him. They could leave sure, but they can't because the land where they live is sacred to them and if they do end up leaving, the town officials would kill them to not let their secret out. It's a different kind of horror that I thought would be interesting to write, and hopefully others would enjoy reading it. I'm working on the site, and I have written up his profile (which can explain about him more because there's a lot to say).


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forest wrote:
Thanks for the prompt replies. Very Happy I was thinking more along the lines of suspense/psychological and possibly with a twist. You know, the kind that messes with your head, but still makes you want to read on.

~Forest


For that sort of thing, one bit of adviceI would pass on (from someone in the know, who once told me Very Happy ), is to pay a lot of attention to your characters. You need your readers to empathise with them, in order to care about what they're going through. Though I suppose really that is true of every type of story.

Also, personally, I hate stories that make use of what I call 'magic sword' syndrome. That is when you build up a plot, with loads of twists etc and keep the readers guessing all the way through, and then just pull the ending out of nowhere. (I think I started calling it magic sword after I read this great fantasy story - had more twists than an Archimedean screw and had you on the edge of your seat wondering how the hero was going to get out of the situation, then all of a sudden he finds this magic sword, from nowhere, that has had nothing to do with the plot, and voila, it is all over. Very disappointing).

I like stories where everything builds up gradually, so even if there are twists and surprises, there are still hints as to the truth throughout the book, and not just in a big paragraph of exposition at the end, so that as I am reading I can try to work out what is going on. Once I finish, having hopefully been fooled by the writer Very Happy , I can then go back and think, ah, but then she did leave such and such a clue and now that I know the end and the truth, that makes sense. If you get me.

I also read somewhere, in an article I think it was on writing fiction, that it is a good thing to 'block' your action scenes as well, i.e. try and act them out mentally before writing and play them out so you can find any glitches, and also to tailor your action scenes to the characters. For instance, rather than thinking, wouldn't it be great if X was attacked by Y and suddenly did this..., to think, if X was attacked by Y, knowing what X is like, what would he do?

I'm just rambling away on stuff I remember reading whilst endlessly striving to be a better writer. Hope some of it helps.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DarkElfChilde wrote:
That was just my opinion, not so sure how other thriller/horror writers started out, but for me I liked reading about haunted houses, vampires, werewolves, ghosts, and all that stuff. I liked those and wanted to write my own, and that was when I was 12. I wrote a lot of those, and then started going to different areas as I was getting used to writing how characters react to each other and situations that would scare them...and maybe a lot too.


- DEC


I've always been a ghost story fanatic. MR James is my ultimate favourite and I hope my story has that same sort of feel. I love to keep my stuff fairly 'real', so that it has more creep factor, if that makes sense. Although I do occasionally do a bit of gory horror, this is mainly in my sci-fi stuff, which called for it. I prefer leaving a lot of my horror to the reader's imagination, playing with their heads a bit. Twisted Evil

This thing I am working on (which may never actually come to be, but the idea is currently fleshing out quite well) is sort of a ghost story, in that my characters believe the things bothering them to be ghosts, only they aren't. I'm trying to keep it very downbeat and not too sensational, so hopefully people might believe that, although it deals with the supernatural, it could happen. Whether I achieve this remains to be seen. Very Happy

I had an idea to submit a little part of this to FictionPress.net to see what people's reactions were, having been rejected far too many times by publishers in the past. I wanted to have opinions before I think whether I want to consider this as a potentially submissable work, only having had a look at FP.net, it just looks as bad as FF.Net. Have to find somewhere else to submit stuff that has a review facility, but an adult readership. (i.e. over 13) Shocked

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tested my story at fictionpress.com to see what people think of it, and I did get reviews but not as many that I thought I would get. There's a lot of people that go there, but unfortunately they prefer other genres other than horror. I think it would've done better if I submitted it to a site that only hosts horror fiction, which I need to find the link so I can give them my site link once I get everything that needs to be there for people to view. I prefer my readers to be 17 and over because well, I can be descriptive when I write my scenes, especially a fight scene. I'm hoping that when I get at least one story done in the series, that I can go ahead and find a publisher that would find interest in it, and publish my work (artwork included).

As far as I know, fictionpress.com is sort of a good place to see what people think, but I think there's too many kids there, and people who aren't interested in horror. You'll be lucky enough to get any reviews. I think your story would be interesting SW; I wouldn't mind reading it.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DarkElfChilde wrote:

As far as I know, fictionpress.com is sort of a good place to see what people think, but I think there's too many kids there, and people who aren't interested in horror. You'll be lucky enough to get any reviews. I think your story would be interesting SW; I wouldn't mind reading it.


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I went on Fiction Press for a while and read some of the reviews, as well as some of the stories, to see what the 'crowd' was like, which was what put me off.

Getting back to Forest's thriller, what I was planning to do with my story was to write a section of it that could stand on its own, and throw it up on FP Net to see how it went. You could do that, if you want to get feedback before you start maybe? Also I am pretty sure that there was a thread on the beta forum about asking here for a beta for original fiction, and the admins said it was okay to ask. I'm sure you could find loads of people here willing to picth in and help you out. Very Happy

I did have a load of webpages downloaded and bookmarked about writing tips and how to pace stories and such, but unfortunately my main computer died a few days ago, and everything is currently locked on the hard drive there. Until I can get this gizmo thingy to access my files from the old drive working, I can't get at them, so I'm just trying to remember what they said.

On the pace thing, which for a thriller is important as well, a good bit of advice it had on one site was to write yourself out a summary first, giving a brief outline of your 'scenes' and chapters within the story, so you can have a look at how the story builds and make sure it's going where you want it to. If you're doing a lot of plot twists that might be a good idea, so you can keep track of what you're up to.

Sorry if that one is a bit obvious. Like I said, just trying to rack my brains.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.writerswrite.com is a good resource site that I like to go to.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you should just go for it, Forest. My first story actually started as a romance Confused and I went back and added the murder element later.

Now I try to give all my stories a thriller element because I love detective stories, and lateral thinking puzzles, and because I used to love The X Files and realised that I wanted to do something similar myself... For the second story I developed an 'X-Files' technique that I've used ever since (because I'm a bit superstitious).

I start off with a few ideas, such as "Yuletide celebrations", "A missing person" (I'd been watching MIA), "A wicked uncle", "Gothic horror" (Minas Tirith looks the part), "A boar hunt" (suggested by Sir Gawain and the Green Knight), "A brothel"... And a very basic plot: Eomer's secretary's sister came to Minas Tirith to marry her betrothed and disappeared. Legolas and Eowyn try to find her...

I write the first chapter like a self-contained short story, just setting the scene and the atmosphere, and getting to know the characters, but, if possible, I make it end with the first big 'event'.

In chapter 2 (the hardest chapter) I start the story proper.

For the next four or five chapters I give the characters free rein to say and do whatever they like and I just follow them, doing what SpaceWeavil advised, thinking, "If X was attacked by Y, knowing what X is like, what would he do? Why would he do it?" I also keep lists and maps and timetables, etc, so that I can easily work out what's going on.

About half way through the story (chapter 5 - 7 ish) I start to think really hard, trying to solve the mystery. It's hair-raising (especially if you've already started posting) and involves a lot of walking about in the dark and talking to yourself. But, for me, this method has two advantages:

- since I'm working from 'the clues' the solution should be consistent. (Here it pays to have a few chapters in hand, so that you can always go back and edit minor details before you post, perhaps making the odd clue more prominent if you have to).

- if I'm surprised the reader should be too! (I can't imagine how you would judge things like suspense and surprise if you planned them out meticulously before you wrote them).

Though I usually have a general idea how things may turn out, they seldom do. In The lady vanishes, for example, I had originally intended for the hero to be a character called Eowulf (hence the lovely name). But there came a point when I realised that the noble person the other characters had described would never have left 'the lady' in so much danger... Unless he was dead. And it really hurt to kill him off Smile

But, at the same time, one of the other characters, Berkin, who I'd orginally imagined rather like Rowan Atkinson in Blackadder I, (hence the silly name), suddenly said, "No way! I'm Artemis Fowl!"

I think that, once you get going, the story is so central to your thinking that your mind makes connections without you realising it.

In this particular case, I needed to think of some evidence that would establish the villain's guilt beyond doubt. I'd already had his paid assassin tell Aragorn that he took the jewellery from his victims to prove that he'd killed them. At the time, I just wanted to show that he was a ruthless bastard. But a few chapters later, when Gimli asked Berkin what evidence he had that his uncle had killed his parents, Berkin reached into a leather pouch and drew out his parents' wedding rings - and took me completely by surprise.

It made me feel like a real writer!

(Then I went back and I changed all Berkin's early references to 'finding documents' to 'finding evidence').
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a kind of sporadic way of plotting out mysteries/ murder stories whenever I've done it. I always start with the initial premise, like in one story I did (non LOTR) called 'Old Ghosts', the premise I started with was that my main char's wife had disappeared years before, and twenty years later, when some buliding work was going on, they found her. Then I add complications, twists and stuff.

What I have sometimes done is made a little 'mind map' thing for my murder mysteries, where you have your victim's name in the centre, and then branch out to all the different people related to them, how they knew each other, any problems between them etc. It's a good way, if you haven't already worked it out, to figure out who you're going to have as the murder.

Also with Old Ghosts, because the timing was really important in regards 'clues' and evidence, so that I had to make sure the characters didn't discover everything too quickly, I used to keep a little plan of where everyone was and what they were doing. Helped work out who went where as well.

With a murder mystery, I think a good deal of the impact comes from pace, in revealing little bits here and there, enough to keep a reader intrigued and guessing without either giving it all away in the first chapter, or boring them senseless.

One thing though with mysteries that I found is to try and avoid having 'plot device' characters; i.e. people who are only there to deliver certain bits of information. If you need someone to give a bit of exposition, you have to make sure they have a character in their own right, with their own backstory etc. (which doesn't necessary have to go into the story, but which will help you develop them).

Hope some of this rubbish I keep spouting is actually helpful Laughing

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