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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 160 Location: In a motel 6 by the airport
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:54 am Post subject: I have a grammar question - No! Really! |
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I've seen this a lot now, and when betaing I recommend a change, but I'm seeing it so much I'm having doubts.
What's correct?:
"I can't believe she doesn't know this." He said. "I thought she knew everything."
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"I can't believe she doesn't know this," he said. "I thought she knew everything." (making the whole thing one sentence optional)
Is this some wacky European convention about which I didn't get the memo? I always have a good time at those conventions ...  _________________ NB Duchess of WHY TF Cant'chu Punctuate, First Duchess of F*&(ing &*ll yur comma placement sux!
Nazgul #3 in charge of ducking & sniggering
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Vilwarin

Joined: 01 Jun 2004 Posts: 227 Location: AnnĂºminas
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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I would use the second sentence, grammatically correct and better-looking. *lol*
~Vil _________________ ***Pervy Halbarad fancier*** |
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Second one.
I've seen people do the first example and I always change it. Oddly enough, I was told it was a wacky US convention I didn't get the memo about. The Penguin Writer's Manual's section on punctuation backs me up, and in fact makes no mention at all of the first example-style punctuation. Since it gives the US examples where they differ, I'd say the first type of sentence doesn't exist in correct grammar. _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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krazykataave

Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 124 Location: Immortalized by John Denver
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Second one definately. |
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Cressida

Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 36 Location: Illinois, USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with all the others who say the second example is the only correct one.
Like you, I'm seeing the first kind of example more and more often when I beta, and I've been wondering where it comes from. A suggestion from a computer grammar checker, maybe? (Those things are so bad that frankly, I think it's better for people just to turn them off.) |
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Robbie Site Admin

Joined: 22 Jun 2003 Posts: 1100 Location: Sydney, Australia.
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Second one is the way I learnt too.
And I thinkg that's about 6 votes to none... _________________ Rob
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 160 Location: In a motel 6 by the airport
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Robbie wrote: | | And I think that's about 6 votes to none... |
Whoopee! I win! I win!
Thanks, folks, I feel much better. _________________ NB Duchess of WHY TF Cant'chu Punctuate, First Duchess of F*&(ing &*ll yur comma placement sux!
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ghettoelleth

Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Posts: 1804
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Dialogue tags should always be part of the sentence that contains the dialogue. But that said, this is a good place to include something that I use all the time. I get as distracted by dialogue tags when I'm reading as I do by excessive use of pronouns beginning sentences. Unfortunately, in my own writing, I'm as guilty of it as anyone else. At least until I've done the first edit. But its can be tedious to come up with varying dialogue tags. He said/she said is just so easy. With that in mind, I found this cool pdf format handout thingamahbob and thought I'd share.
http://www.readwritethink.org/lesson_images/lesson291/dialogue_tag.pdf _________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can not confirm their validity." Abraham Lincoln |
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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That whole site is interesting ... thanks, G! _________________ NB Duchess of WHY TF Cant'chu Punctuate, First Duchess of F*&(ing &*ll yur comma placement sux!
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ghettoelleth

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:29 am Post subject: |
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I use it alot because of the fact that it focuses on fiction writers and allows for a lot of play when it comes to dialogue. I find that if I try to stay too mechanically chaste, my dialogue seems really unnatural. This is probably because I'm such a noob at writing, but maybe it's not just me. The people who write the articles for this site take this into account and will even tell you things like this:
You lie on the bed
You lay something else on the bed
BUT...the past tense of the irregular verb, to lie, is lay. He lay on the bed and tried to sleep.
But then they go on to say that in dialogue it's perfectly acceptable to say, "I'm going to go lay down," because most people talk that way...except for editors and English teacher. I thought that was a hoot. _________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can not confirm their validity." Abraham Lincoln |
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SilverMoonLady

Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 1201 Location: Breaking in a Brandybuck... *wicked grin*
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Ooooh, I like that list:)) Shall have to peruse the site further:) Though I'll quickly mention what most of us, I'm sure, have heard, that most readers will unconsciously skip the 'he/she said' in most dialogue, and it only registers consciously if you use an alternate word. _________________ Suffering an again off again connection with life...
The joy of motherhood: what a woman experiences when all the kids are in bed.
*local PHF union rep* *tart of the week*
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