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 Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 6:18 pm Post subject: MArriages in Middle Earth |
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Ok I know alot of us have mentioned marraige in our fanfics, but just a question: Did Tolkien ever describe marrige customs of the races of Middle Earth? I've seen Elvish marriage fanfics but what about hobbits? and men? and dwarves? And I dont think its mentions in the apendices of ROTK or anything. 
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Well, didn't Aragorn wed Arwen?
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Ok point taken but what about hobbits? I've never seen anything about it or is theirs taken from customs of other races?
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As far as I remember, in the Appendices, it is said that both Sam and Merry married their sweethearts. Can't remember about Pip. Can't you pick up the book?
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No! No! No! I mean the specific customs! I would be much of an LOTR Fan if never picked up the books 
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| I think the only wedding described is Aragorn and Arwen's; from which you could extrapolate the Numenorean customs. You're going to have to guess about the rest. Hobbit weddings might be a little like Hobbit birthdays, as in the celebrants give presents instead of receiving them. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 10:11 am Post subject: Re: MArriages in Middle Earth |
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| queenoftheshire wrote: |
Ok I know alot of us have mentioned marraige in our fanfics, but just a question: Did Tolkien ever describe marrige customs of the races of Middle Earth? I've seen Elvish marriage fanfics but what about hobbits? and men? and dwarves? And I dont think its mentions in the apendices of ROTK or anything. |
They really aren't. I think that the Elven marriage customs are described in History of Middle-Earth in Laws and Customs of the Eldar. If you could get a hold of that, you might extrapolate something similar for the Numenoreans. Other than that, you're on your own, which can be a fun thing.  |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: MArriages in Middle Earth |
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| queenoftheshire wrote: |
Ok I know alot of us have mentioned marraige in our fanfics, but just a question: Did Tolkien ever describe marrige customs of the races of Middle Earth? I've seen Elvish marriage fanfics but what about hobbits? and men? and dwarves? And I dont think its mentions in the apendices of ROTK or anything. |
The only place I can remember Hobbit weddings being mentioned is in Letters #214 - a footnote says: "No presents were given at or during the celebration of Hobbit weddings, except flowers (weddings were mostly in the Spring or early Summer). Assistance in furnishing a home (if the couple were to have a separate one, or private apartments in a Smial) was given long before by the parents on either side."
The next page of text just has a short mention - "As far as I know Hobbits were universally monogamous (indeed they very seldom married a second time, even if wife or husband died very young); and I should say that their family arrangements were 'patrilinear' rather than patriarchal. That is, their family names descended in the male-line (and women were adopted into their husband's name)... " It also says that the Shire-folk's "kinship to their sentiment and customs was assisted by detailed traditions, written and oral." One interesting thing that's mentioned about Hobbit birthday presents is that they were always given no later than noon the day of the party. To bring presents to the party itself was considered a glaring lack of manners. I thought that was an odd custom.
Sorry it's not more, but I hope it helps. Good luck!
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Thanks, that really helps! I've been wondering about marriage customs of Middle Earth for quite awhile so I'm glad I found an answer. Now FINALLY I can have somemore detail for my hobbit fanfic. Thanks Again!,
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Can anyone point me to what they think is a well researched Elven wedding? Need it for a fic. I imagine that a Celtic wedding might be a good example to go buy or maybe a handfasting.
Thoughts, Observations, possible fics?
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I would think that a Hobbit wedding would be a lot like the way Tolkien wrote about them. Seldom did they have adventures and looked on them and those that had them with distaste.
So imagine a simple wedding sometime after the harvests were done or before the first plantings among all the family and shirefolk. Probably lots of smoking, drinking to the couples health and dancing as well. We all know how those Halfings loved to party  Then the couple would retire to their new home and maybe work on producing little-ones that night. Or simply go to bed.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: MArriages in Middle Earth |
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| Isabeau wrote: |
They really aren't. I think that the Elven marriage customs are described in History of Middle-Earth in Laws and Customs of the Eldar. If you could get a hold of that, you might extrapolate something similar for the Numenoreans. Other than that, you're on your own, which can be a fun thing. |
I would love to see that book wtih the customs. It isn't in LACE is it?
I have done two marriages where I kinda glazed over the actually wording/ceremony/customs. I said things like Lord Celeborn officiated the elvish wedding ceremony or Elrohir and Elladan performed the elvish ceremony while King Elessar preformed the ceremony of men (man of rank marrying an elf of Rivendell while in Rivendell). I kinda went out on a limb as far as who could perform the ceremony. When Lord Celeborn did it, the elleth had been in Lothlorien after Galadriel left before she ends up in Mirkwood with Legolas (not telling any more details - you will have to wait until it is finally posted). The one with Elrohir and Elladan doing the ceremony, it was after Elrond left so I assumed that they had some rank in Rivendell. I also assumed as the king, Elessar could preform the ceremony much like the captain of a ship can perform one (the captain from Love Boat did it all of the time!) All of my stuff is non-canon/AU but I do try to get that stuff to a believable point. As far as gifts go, one was a last minute thing so there were no stated gifts. The other one was a bigger event many months in the making so there were gifts but they were things that were symbolic - such as a mallorn tree to be planted in Mirkwood from the elves of Lothlorien and flowers to be planted from the shire and of course, horses from Rohan (what else?). I couldn't envision people giving them china or a crock pot so I went out on a limb. I also never give the wording of the ceremony or what it entails. I talk of how they responded as they were supposed to but were so entranced by the other they didn't even know what they were saying. (Of course my fiction is more flowery sounding that I am writing here!)
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| I don't think this is of any help, but in the movie ROTK you could probably pick up a few things for a hobbit wedding with the Sam and Rosie part at the end. |
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| Since Tolkien didn't give us much to use, you probably have room for creative licence. The canon pursists probably won't bash you too hard. The wiccan handfasting idea is a good idea; I also read a story on a different fandom where the two elves simply made their vows (alone, with no witnesses) and then consummated the bond, and got married that way. |
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