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cymrulady
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 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:12 am Post subject: Helm's Deep - can anyone help. please? |
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OK. This question will either make people pity my stupidity or cause them to fall on the floor laughing - but - how long would it have taken the Elves to get to Helm's Deep? (Yes, yes - I know they didn't actually go, but the thing I'm writing is movie canon and there has to be an answer somewhere!) 
Actually, I've been thinking about it, and I can't work out where exactly Aragorn and co. would have been when Galadriel and Elrond decided to send their people. It's all a bit confusing when you get down to it, but I'm sure there are some wonderfully brilliant minds on this forum who might be brave enough to have a stab at this! (Please? Oh go on! There's an answer somewhere - Peter Jackson must have worked it out!) 
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Well, from the Atlas of Middle Earth, I make the distance from Caras Galadhon to Helm's Deep to be about 300 miles, roughly. That's allowing for having to walk round things like hills and stuff along the way. (People usually come up with totally different measurements from me when we do these posts).
Anyway, in Unfinished Tales, in the appendices to Disaster at Gladden Fields, it says that the Numenorean army could march for eight leagues a day, or 12 over shorter distances. Taking that lower figure for a minute, that would mean an army could reach Helm's Deep in about 12 and a half days. (that's using the Numenorean 'league', again from the appendices of UT, converting that to miles). So that would be Dunedain on the march - you could say that elves would get there a little quicker, as they might not need the rest periods that the Numenoreans took.
For instance, if the elves managed the Numenorean peak of 12 leagues per day, it would only take them 8 days, roughly, to reach there.
So is that in any way helpful or just more confusing?
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Awesome, Space, and it does help a lot. 
So, if you reckon about 8 days, where exactly do you reckon Aragorn and co would have been then? Still in Rohan, maybe, or fighting Wargs?
(I really can't work this out - but then I am blonde - lol!)
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| cymrulady wrote: | Awesome, Space, and it does help a lot.
So, if you reckon about 8 days, where exactly do you reckon Aragorn and co would have been then? Still in Rohan, maybe, or fighting Wargs?
(I really can't work this out - but then I am blonde - lol!)
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Argh, sorry. I'm in London at the moment, so don't have my atlas or anything at hand. Best bet would be to have a look at the tale of years in the appendices, and see if it gives the dates for the battle, work back from that, and then see what it says. If not, if anyone else has the Fonstad atlas of ME, then it has pathways showing the journies of the fellowship and how long it took, so if someone could have a look at that? If not I can look it up when I get home but that won't be for a couple more days.
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cymrulady
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Space. You're the best. In the meantime, I'll do my research and let you know if I work it out
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