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Galadriel8891



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:37 pm    Post subject: Translation needed Reply with quote

Could someone please give me the Quenya and Sindarin translations for the phrase "The strongest power is found within" (Or something very near to it, anyway)? Thanks...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go with (in Sindarin):

I valan vellwain vi dortha
(the strongest power dwells within; lit. the power strongest in dwells)

because I like the alliteration and rhythm, although -

I valan vellwain dortha nedh
(the strongest power dwells within; lit. the power strongest dwells within)
- might be more correct.

In Quenya - I've no effing clue, sorry.


Anybody else?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, let me see if I can pull off the Quenya part...
*digs dusty Quenya tidbits out of shady mind corners*

How about something along the lines of:
"Mela analta ná hirna i órenna"
'The greatest power is found in the heart'
(lit: 'Power greatest is found in the heart/inner mind')

*cringe*

Well, the thing is there's no word for 'power' in Quenya, so I conjured "mela" from Melkor's name (he who rises in power) amd the word "meletyalda" (your mighty). But still, it could also be melya, melta or anything of the kind (except for melda, melina etc which mean beloved). Basically, you get to pick and choose since it doesn't already exist.

I also used "órë" (heart/inner mind) instead of 'within'. Hope it still works...

Finally, from what I can remember, the superlative form doesn't take a definite article, but I'll have to double-check on that one and let you knoe if it's wrong...

All in all, not exactly state-of-the-art Quenya, but it might work. If anyone else wants to give it a try, feel free to do so!

PS: I miss my Sindarin!!! But Nancy already did a terrific job with it, so I just got left with the Quenya part...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait Neni, don't cringe yet! lol, Don't want to waste a perfectly good cringe til you've seen this mangling of the language. Nance, since Space is gone, you're just going to have to adopt me for a day and tell me how bad this is. If its as bad as I think it is, David Salo goes in the toilet. Shocked

Before peeking at what you guys had this is the genius that I came up with.

Crap, the closest I could come was power strong dwells inside. It is just so much easier to whine to Space or Thuriniel of Nancy or anyone but Salo. Anybody got a match? LOL

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the help so far...anyone else have input as to which Quenya phrase to choose?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would go with NancyBrooke's Sindarin interpretation. i like the way it rolls off the tongue and i think thats what Elvish is supposed to do. you want the reader to read the Elvish and feel its flow just like if it was in English so you want something they wont stumble over. hope my opinion helps.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think thats what Elvish is supposed to do. you want the reader to read the Elvish and feel its flow


Yeah, and....well, make sense. Wink

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