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Alassante
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 Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:48 pm Post subject: Another question....uncles, cousins, great uncles, etc. |
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Okay I suck at geneology so I need to make sure I have this right.
Feanor was Finarfin's half brother. Finarfin was Galadriel's dad. Therefore Feanor was her ( ) uncle. She was Celebrian's mom who was Elrohir's mom. So....does that mean that Feanor was Elrohir's great, great, (half) uncle?
Okay - Feanor's son had a son named Curufin who would be Galadriel's half cousin. So would Curufin be Elrohir's third (half) cousin?
I get confused when they talk about second and third cousins or second cousin once removed. What's removed mean? Would Celebrimbor, Curufin's son, and Elrohir be third cousin's once removed or fourth cousins? Or does someone have to get hurt to be a cousin removed? 
Confused yet? 
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:55 am Post subject: Re: Another question....uncles, cousins, great uncles, etc. |
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| Alassante wrote: | | Confused yet? |
Nope  It helps if you come from a long-lived, history-minded family with few children in each generation (those wacky Quakers )!
| Quote: | | Feanor was Finarfin's half brother. Finarfin was Galadriel's dad. Therefore Feanor was her () uncle. She was Celebrian's mom who was Elrohir's mom. So....does that mean that Feanor was Elrohir's great, great, (half) uncle? |
Yup. Got it in one.
| Quote: | | Okay - Feanor's son had a son named Curufin who would be Galadriel's half cousin. |
Uhh ... No; if Curufin is Feanor's grandson, he isn't the same generation as Galadriel (Feanor's neice), so Curufin is G's first cousin once removed.
| Quote: | | So would Curufin be Elrohir's third (half) cousin? |
Close - there's that generation skip again. Elrohir and Curufin are second cousin's once removed.
| Quote: | | I get confused when they talk about second and third cousins or second cousin once removed. What's removed mean? |
Yeah, a lot of people do. It helps me to think about it visually/spacially. Siblings (Feanor/Finarfin) on a family tree share a level; their children the next level. Those (non-siblings) on the same level are cousins of some degree or another. Those cousins whose parents are siblings (Galadriel and Feanor's son) are first cousins. Second cousins are those whose parents are first cousins, etc. etc.
"Removed" indicates a non-lateral (as it were) generational relationship, and it goes either way - up or down. Your first cousin's child is your first cousin once removed and you are their first cousin once removed, too. (Your first cousin's child and your child are second cousins). So -
| Quote: | | Would Celebrimbor, Curufin's son, and Elrohir be third cousin's once removed or fourth cousins? |
Nope ... just plain old (  ) third cousins (their grandparents are first cousins).
| Quote: | | ... or does someone have to get hurt to be a cousin removed? |
No, but, in my experience, sometimes they should be ... 
Hope this helps ...
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ooooh!! Hobbit/Elf plot bunny!!!
(Running away to Bunny Nursery thread) 
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Alassante
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Another question....uncles, cousins, great uncles, etc. |
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| NancyBrooke wrote: | | Quote: | | Okay - Feanor's son had a son named Curufin who would be Galadriel's half cousin. |
Uhh ... No; if Curufin is Feanor's grandson, he isn't the same generation as Galadriel (Feanor's neice), so Curufin is G's first cousin once removed.
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I messed up this whole post with this sentence!!!!  Curufin was Feanor's SON not grandson! When I was typing that I was going to ask about Celebrimbor - Curufin's son - but decided to clarify Curufin first and forgot to change the "Feanor's son" to "Feanor" part. Sooooo...... Curufin is actually Feanor's son and Gladdy's cousin. (half cousin, half crazed!)
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I used this website when looking up references on family relations. It was very helpful but so was Nancy in her explanation!
http://www.genealogy.com/16_cousn.html?Welcome=1087765911
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: Another question....uncles, cousins, great uncles, etc. |
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| Alassante wrote: | | Okay - Feanor's son had a son named Curufin who would be Galadriel's half cousin. |
| Alassante wrote: | | I messed up this whole post with this sentence!!!! Curufin was Feanor's SON not grandson! When I was typing that I was going to ask about Celebrimbor - Curufin's son - but decided to clarify Curufin first and forgot to change the "Feanor's son" to "Feanor" part. Sooooo...... Curufin is actually Feanor's son and Gladdy's cousin. (half cousin, half crazed!) |
I wondered about that!!! Since that was the only time you didn't use a name ... but I'm not a Silm-ie and I didn't look it up. Oh well.
So it goes like this (I believe):
Finarfin is still Elrohir's Great Great (half) Uncle
Curufin and Galadriel are First Cousins (their parents are siblings)
Curufin and Elrohir are 1st cousins Twice removed
Celebrimbor and Elrohir are 2nd Cousins once removed
Celebrimbor's children (though it seems he didn't have any), would be Elrohir's 3rd cousins
Clear as mud?
Your mother's first cousins are your first cousins, just once removed. Your children are also first cousins of your mothers first cousins, only twice removed because of the generational difference, if that helps any.
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