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Silvae

Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 99 Location: Lyon, France
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:21 pm Post subject: Memory block... help please! |
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Hi all!
I am seemingly incapable of remembering where I read this, and I can't find it in the indexes of either the Silm or LOtR. Grr!
I know I saw somewhere or other (HoME?) that Frodo's Elvish name was Iorhael and Sam's... was it Perhael? But I can't for the life of me remeber where I read it!
I'd like to know what Iorhael means - 'coz I think Perhael - please correct me - means Halfwise, like his Westron name does. (peredhil? per - half? can't find what hael means, though)
I looked in a Sindarin-English dictionary and found :
- io : ago, proverb
- ha : it
- el : elf; pre/suffix (well, obviously)
But strangely enough... that doesn't sound very logical!
Help please!
Thanks,
Silvae _________________ For what be a wanderer that wandereth not?
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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From David Salo's 'A Gateway to Sindarin';
Iorhael - old and wise, a son of Samwise (Perhael), in Westron called Frodo
hael is 'sael', or 'wise' but because it comes as part of a compound word it undergoes lenition to become 'hael'. The Ior is the same as Iaur, 'old', same as 'Ioreth'. And so therefore Perhael is also 'Per' (half) + sael (wise), like you said, the same as Banazir, his Westron name.
According to Salo, Frodo Samwise's son's name was in Sauron Defeated.
Edit: in my version of SD, it's on page 126, in the chapter called 'The Epilogue' _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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Silvae

Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 99 Location: Lyon, France
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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OK, thank you Space! (Will be able to sleep now )
Cheers for Salo and assiduous readers,
Silvae _________________ For what be a wanderer that wandereth not? |
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