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mistressofbucklebury
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 Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:22 am Post subject: Sindarin/Westron translation help |
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I know there are a fair few linguists out there so I'm hoping one of you can help.
I need a translation for the phrase "little deer" or "little doe" to use as a nickname for my OC. I could use either Westron or Sindarin so any suggestions would be gratefully recieved.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:46 am Post subject: |
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I actually know more Japanese than Westron, so let me tackle the Sindarin one.
Hmm, I'm actually a long way from my notes, but the word for 'deer' is "aras" (I think, could be 'Wraiths rule' for all I know...), so how about something like Arasen or Araseth? It doesn't mean 'little deer' exactly, but it's close without making the name look like a railway... 
You never mentioned if the OC is male or female. 
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mistressofbucklebury
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the help, I have aras as the sindarin word for deer too, but didn't know what to do with it. 
My OC is female... the nickname giver is a man (see luscious specimen to the left *sigh*)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 6:43 am Post subject: |
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Don't have the laptop at present or my notes (am in internet cafe) but Arasegen would be my little deer. If you can wait till tonight I can have a look at the Westron.
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mistressofbucklebury
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Thanks Space, that would be wonderful
Does this mean you get the computer back tonight? (yippee!)
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| mistressofbucklebury wrote: | Thanks Space, that would be wonderful
Does this mean you get the computer back tonight? (yippee!) |
I'm beginning to think only divine beings know. If I do get it back though I still can't write or edit any of my fic until tomorrow because they've wiped everything off the hard drive, so need to reinstall MS Word, which is being brought over tomorrow. He reckons he's saved all My Documents, but then he reckoned I'd have it back yesterday, so I'm getting scared...
Anyway,  sorry, but I'm worried about my little baby puter.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| SpaceWeavil wrote: |
I'm beginning to think only divine beings know. If I do get it back though I still can't write or edit any of my fic until tomorrow because they've wiped everything off the hard drive, so need to reinstall MS Word, which is being brought over tomorrow. He reckons he's saved all My Documents, but then he reckoned I'd have it back yesterday, so I'm getting scared...
Anyway, sorry, but I'm worried about my little baby puter. |
Oh that sounds Not Good. I hope you didn't lose too much, Space. A lot of nerve to format your drive without asking you and making sure he saved all your data first. It is very easy to access/save data ona hard drive before you reformat it.
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mistressofbucklebury
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:32 am Post subject: |
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I've just downloaded the Dragon Flame Sindarin dictionary and that has deer as aras and little as tithen....
...just wondering how that would lead to araseth, arasen or arasegen? I only ask since if I can start to work out how you guys put compound words together I might be able to figure others out for myself and then I don't have to keep bugging everyone!
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I've got David Salo's Gateway to Sindarin fifty dollar useless to me piece of crap cuz I barely know english here ready to get tossed on the bbq MoB. Want me to mail it to you?
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mistressofbucklebury
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I've got Jim Allan's "An Introduction to Elvish" and Ruth Noel's "Languages of Tolkien's Middle Earth" but I'm not much of a linguist (as you know my English grammar sucks and that's my native language!!! ) so neither the bas%@*d things makes any sense to me. 
What I need is someone to explain (very slowly and patiently, with words of preferable only one or two syllables) it to me in laymens terms.
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| mistressofbucklebury wrote: | I've just downloaded the Dragon Flame Sindarin dictionary and that has deer as aras and little as tithen....
...just wondering how that would lead to araseth, arasen or arasegen? I only ask since if I can start to work out how you guys put compound words together I might be able to figure others out for myself and then I don't have to keep bugging everyone! |
-eg is a diminutive ending, so gond = stone, while gondeg is 'little stone'
-en is a first person possessive ending, so arasen is 'my deer'
arasegen therefore is aras+eg (little) + en (my)
Hope that makes sense
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Thanks again... That makes a lot more sense.
Cheers Space
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Well, I downloaded Thorsten Renk's "Pedin Edhellen, a Sindarin Course" some time ago and it works like a charm. Along with a pretty extended sindarin dictionary I came across the web quite some time ago (I love it cause it comes complete with pronounciation and intonation details), I feel like I've got everything I need.
If anyones feels like it, I can e-mail the whole package. I haven't really read any of the others, so I can't tell you if it will seem easier or not, although from my experience with a couple of sites I know people tend to make Sindarin seem really complicated...
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me me! i'll take a copy please!!! email in my profile and thanks!!!
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oops double post, my fault entirely on this one.
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