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sofia
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 Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:40 pm Post subject: elvish punishment |
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hello! long time no post, for me that is. Anyway the question that has been bugging me for a while now is :
What would the punishment for a crime that an elf comitted be? (does that even make sense?  ) The crime would be considered serious yet I don't think the elves would punish the guilty elf by death or outlaw. Any suggestions would be helpful! Thanks in advance.
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Hmmm, banishment? I suppose each realm Lord (or Lady in Galadriel's case) would have the power to banish another elf under pain of death should they consider the elf in question to be a danger for the realm. But it would have to be something really bad, like treason or murders and such...
Guys, what do you think? Does LACE mention anything?
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Elves were put to death as a regular punishment in the first age. Curufin threatens to put Eol to death for entering his realm when he is looking for Maeglin and Aredhel for example. Doesn't seem very third agey those. Does it?
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| ghettoelleth wrote: | | Elves were put to death as a regular punishment in the first age. Curufin threatens to put Eol to death for entering his realm when he is looking for Maeglin and Aredhel for example. Doesn't seem very third agey those. Does it? |
I thought that it was Caranthir that did that but I went back and looked it up and it was indeed Curufin.
What does the avie say? He's a bad boy.  Although Eol was worse!
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Only one elf was ever put to death and it was Eol, and that was after he killed the King of Gondolin's sister. I think murder was basically unheard of in Elvish societies. Curufin made a big deal about his threat to Eol. Celegorm and Curufin were banished from Nargothrond for I guess you could call it treason.
I have read some fanfics that address this issue and punishment was in some form of reparations, either by service or goods. This sounds logical to me. I can't see stocks or lashes being given. For misdemenors I would think reparations would suffice while felony type crimes like serious assault or theft would get banishment, which would be as close to a death penalty as you could get, especially for the highly social Noldor
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| inglor wrote: | | Only one elf was ever put to death and it was Eol, and that was after he killed the King of Gondolin's sister. |
And let's not forget Maeglin.
As for punishment, it seems that there were two options: death and exile. |
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Elves commit crimes?  I thought they were Tolkien's idea of a perfect society, or as close as it gets.  Probably community service for minor crimes, temporary exile for medium crimes, and imprisonment or permanent exile for major crimes. or maybe punishments are so harsh that no one dares to commit a crime! like in some middle eastern countries, if you get caught stealing you get your hand cut off, doesn't matter what you steal or how many times you've done it. The crime rate in such countries is relatively low. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:50 pm Post subject: Elf punishment |
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Toss 'em off a cliff or a tower!
Elf punishment..quick and effective...
But you can always "devise" medieval-esque punishments in your fic and stray from canon. These can be interesting and inventive, as anyone who has been to the Tower of London can tell.
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sofia
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| inglor wrote: | | I have read some fanfics that address this issue and punishment was in some form of reparations, either by service or goods. This sounds logical to me. I can't see stocks or lashes being given. For misdemenors I would think reparations would suffice while felony type crimes like serious assault or theft would get banishment, which would be as close to a death penalty as you could get, especially for the highly social Noldor |
Yeah, I eventually opted for the reparations by service road. Thanks everybody who replied and helped out.  |
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