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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:38 pm    Post subject: I hope this isn't a dumb question - Rohan in the 4th age? Reply with quote

Does anyone know if there is anything canon about Rohan in the Fourth Age other than the timelines in the back of ROTK (about 10 yrs after Eomer became king)? I need to know if Rohan still had enemies attacking their lands and if so, who were they? Plus who would be his second in command in Edoras. I read Rhaps stuff from the other post -

http://www.openscrolls.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2105

about Erkenbrand was made Marshal of the West-mark and Elfhelm Marshal of the East-mark but who would take charge if Eomer left Edoras on a mission? They would go with him on the mission I am assuming.

This is for an AU story so it doesn't follow the story lines with him marrying Lothiriel but I am trying to be accurate to a certain degree even though its AU and some aspects have changed.

If someone can just point me in the right direction of this information, I will gladly read it! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know if this is what you mean by the stuff in the appendices, and if so if you already know this, but it does say that Eomer and Aragorn went off fighting foes together into the Fourth Age. So there were still enemies.

Since it's sitting next to me;

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In Eomer's day in the Mark men had peace who wished for it, and the people increased both in the dales and the plains, and their horses multiplied. In Gondor the King Elessar now ruled, and in Arnor also. In all the lands of those realms of old he was king, save in Rohan only; for he renewed to Eomer the gift of Cirion, for Eomer took again the Oath of Eorl. Often he fulfilled it. For although Sauron had passed, the hatreds and evils that he bred had not died, and the King of the West had many enemies to subdue before the White Tree could grow in peace. And wherever King Elessar went with war King Eomer went with him; and beyond the Sea of Rhun and on the far fields of the South the thunder of the cavalry of the Mark was heard, and the White Horse upon Green flew in many winds until Eomer grew old.


From Appendix A.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, remember that Théoden ordered Éowyn to take over the shop while he rode with Éomer to war? So my guess would be that Lothíriel would be the one in charge.

But a full muster is rare, the one for the War of the Ring was the second one, IRRC for Rohan. If Éomer chooses to ride with his first & second marshall, some logic tells me that the third marshall keeps an eye on Edoras.

It is recorded that after Théoden's funeral, when Éomer reordered his realm, Erkenbrand was made Marshal of the West-mark, and Elfhelm Marshal of the East-mark, and these titles were maintained, instead of Second and Third Marshal, neither having precedence over the other. In time of war a special appointment was made to the office of Underking: its holder either ruled the realm in the King's absence with the army, or took command in the field if for any reason the King remained at home. In peace the office was only filled when the King because of sickness or old age deputed his authority; the holder was then naturally the Heir to the throne, if he was a man of sufficient age. But in war the Council was unwilling that an old King should send his Heir to battle beyond the realm unless he had at least one other son.(ii)

Let me see what I can find un Unifished Tales for you. If you have it yourself, then it is the chapter the Fords of Isen.

Elfwine: Son of Éomer and Lothiriel. Elfwine strongly resembled his grandfather, Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth. Elfwine became the King of Rohan after the death of his father in the year 63 of the Fourth Age. He was born early Fourth Age. But I can't find a specific date.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rhaps - like I said this is an AU story and Lothiriel and Elfwine are not part of it. I will look in the UT too.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well the council thing is interesting though...

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From "The History of Middle-Earth" Volume 12, "The People of Middle-Earth" Chapter 9:

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In Éomer's time the realm was extended west beyond the Gap of Rohan as far as the Greyflood and the sea-shores between that river and the Isen, and north to the borders of Lórien, and his men and horses multiplied exceedingly.
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