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melissaofaharon



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:17 am    Post subject: the Rohirrim Reply with quote

This might seem like a stupid question, but are there other Riders of Rohan mentioned in the books/movies besides the usual ones? I mean, the characters that have a name, (Cause Eomer left with two thousand of them..) but that could be used for a fic and expanded upon?? I am sure the answer is yes, and if someone will point me in the right general direction I would be much obliged.
Or if anyone knew the names of some of the Rohirric horses and who they belonged to (if that is even anywhere) it would help. I am not afraid to research, I just am a little lost in the JRR Tolkein Library.
I have an idea bothering me..and if I write it, it might help.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drop me a PM and I'll try to help you further.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just started a Bunny quick list that grew into a really long list. You need to be Bunny more specific. There are a lot of bit players, many unnamed Bunny, Tolkien imbues with more than a drop of personality. Most Bunny are guards of one sort or another.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know what Rhapsody's come up with since she's brilliant with research like this, but after some quick digging, I've found a few.

Hasufel's (the horse loaned to Aragorn by Éomer in the Two Towers) original master was Gárulf, one of Éomer’s eored. The name of Arod’s master is not given anywhere that I have looked. Another mount, Théodred’s I believe, was named Brego after the second King of the Mark but this could be a movie thing as I can’t seem to find it in TTT or RotK (I know Aragorn called the horse that ran away from the Dimholt ‘Brego’ I just don’t know where the name came from and why he didn’t still have Hasufel at that point in the movie).

As for men not often written about, Grima’s father was Gálmód. Ceorl was one of Théodred’s men at the Fords of Isen, though his horse is not mentioned. Erkenbrand was the captain left in charge there and eventually named the Marshal of the Westfold after the War of the Ring. Dúnhere was his nephew who fought in the second Battle for the Fords of Isen and also assembled the last of the Riders in Harrodale during the Battle of Helm’s Deep and died in the Battle of the Pelennor. Grimbold is another Rider who fought at both battles of the Fords of Isen and was killed on the Pelennor. Elfhelm was also at the second battle of the Fords of Isen. Déorwine was the chief of the king’s bodyguards and he fell on the Pelennor though I am not sure where exactly he was before that. Elfhelm was the marshal of the Eastmark under Éomer who allowed Éowyn to ride to Gondor as “Dernhelm” (a personal favorite). Guthláf was Théoden’s banner carrier (mentioned in the book Return of the King) slain on the Pelennor. Wídfara did reconnaissance work on the ride into Gondor in RotK; he’s the one who noticed that the wind had changed and now blew from the sea. And for a non-combatant, Gléowine is a minstrel mentioned in Return of the King.

References for most of these are available at http://www.tuckborough.net
under People Index: Rohirrim.
I skimmed The Two Towers and Return of the King too but I don’t have Peoples of Middle Earth handy and that’s probably a good place to gather a lot more names. There’s also a whole list of horses in the creature index at tuckborough.net, though from what I’ve seen, the horses tend to be named for characteristics they either already have or people wish them to have. Representing those names in Olde English, however, can be a bit of a pain in the neck, but there are some linguistically inclined folks here who might help translate.

Hope that helps,
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never mind my offer then, Neume said more then enough. There would be some more additional sources, but since I don't know what the bunny is about. I rather leave it at this, since this feels more then enough.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just remember if you're going to your browser, (grrrrr) for research, to check your facts so you don't end up with a bunch of crap information that isn't canon or is diluted with fanon. Its always best that you use your books when possible. I've made and seen others make, some really lame mistakes made by those who rely to heavily on their browser for information.

Just ask a certain member which elves speak Grelvish.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the input and advice (Ghettoelleth). I will be sure to make sure I have canon instead of fanon.
Gelvish....YEESH!!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have PoME if you need scans.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loads of Rohirrim info can be found in UT, or the appendices of ROTK, or TT and ROTK. Just re-read TT and ROTK and you'll get the feeling again. I don't know how much Rohirrim stuff is in HOME 12 (PoME). Xmas is coming, the darkness falls sooner now, so what better way to curl up on the couch with the TT while Eomer charms you over and over again?

The Treason of Isengard (HOME 7) starts with the extensive rewriting of Book I, then goes on with Book II and III as far as ' The King of the Golden Hall'. The War of the Ring (HOME 8 ) contains the last chapters of Book III from 'Helm's Deep' to 'The Palantír'. So any extra Rohirrim things might be buried there.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bawl Doh! Bawl
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ghettoelleth wrote:
Bawl Doh! Bawl


Want some TLC honey? Big Hug

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacon
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ghettoelleth wrote:
bacon


No bacon here... chocolate then?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

damn, it works when we're playing bondage games....
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ghettoelleth wrote:
damn, it works when we're playing bondage games....


Just add an egg to it Wink Hmm Bondage.. This reminds me of something.

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