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ghettoelleth

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: Glid and Swummed? |
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Can someone please please, oh pretty please, decline to past tense the verbs swim and glide?
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Alassante Virtual Village Mod

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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I think glided and swam.
But I am quite possibly wrong. I ferget allotta my grammer and maked my beta crazied. _________________ Nagzul #2 - The Nazgul of Shmoove
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vladazhael

Joined: 15 Dec 2005 Posts: 171 Location: Gone mad, back later
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah, i'll second glided and swam. that was what my first instinct said, and ms word seems to agree (though i hesitate to use that as a logical basis for much of anything). |
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ellisk

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 579 Location: Icon by Alassante! Wow!
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Alassante wrote: | I think glided and swam.
But I am quite possibly wrong. I ferget allotta my grammer and maked my beta crazied. |
I'm not crazy. I'm perfectly sane and I'll kill anyone who says I'm not! Muhahahaha!
You are correct--swam and glided. And you conjugate verbs and decline nouns, Ghetto. Let's get it straight.  _________________ It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye.
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ghettoelleth

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Throwback to catechism in Latin, you know, Nicene Creed and all that happy crappy. Although I'm sure the Russians, Poles, Greeks, Czechs, etc will be happy to know they've been doing it wrong for hundreds of years.
Declining verbs live! But the Amercian's don't....
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Rhapsody

Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 1153 Location: Maglor's Lap
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:30 am Post subject: |
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Relying on MS word?? Really? My loyal dictionary with irregular verbs (UK-style) says: swim- swam-swum (inifinitive, past tense, past perfect)
So depending on which tense... Glide isn't irregular. But this is most likely too late, so eum  _________________ I have not lost my mind - it's backed up on disk somewhere...
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 160 Location: In a motel 6 by the airport
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| ghettoelleth wrote: | | Amercian's |
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ellisk

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 579 Location: Icon by Alassante! Wow!
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Sorry Ghetto, I tried but can't resist this: (Nerd alert!)
From Websters:
declension
noun
1. In certain languages, eg Latin: any of various sets of different forms taken by nouns, adjectives or pronouns to indicate case, number and gender.
2. The act of stating these forms. See also conjugation, decline
3. Any group of nouns or adjectives showing the same pattern of forms.
conjugation
noun
1a. grammar.
The inflection of a verb to indicate number, person, tense, voice and mood;
1b. grammar.
A particular class of verbs having the same set of inflections. See also declension.
Thus, for example in Latin, you have 1st-5th declension nouns (a, o, i, u, and e-stem nouns) into the nominative, genetive, dative, accusative, ablative, locative and vocative cases and 1st-4th conjugation verbs (-âre, -êre, -ere, -îre) plus the irregulars, which some teachers consider to be a 5th conjugation set by themselves.
In Russian, nouns (and their adjectives) decline based on their gender (masculine, feminine and neuter) into the nominative, accusative, genetive, locative, dative and instrumental cases. Verbs in Russian conjugate differently depending on whether their stem ends in a consonant or a vowel and the endings are different for different consonants and vowels.
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Rhapsody

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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| ellisk wrote: |
In Russian, nouns (and their adjectives) decline based on their gender (masculine, feminine and neuter) into the nominative, accusative, genetive, locative, dative and instrumental cases. Verbs in Russian conjugate differently depending on whether their stem ends in a consonant or a vowel and the endings are different for different consonants and vowels.
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Isn't this the same with Germanic Languages (German, Friesian, Dutch and English?) I know for sure in German because the nouns are influenced by gender... or am I completely not understanding what this is about? _________________ I have not lost my mind - it's backed up on disk somewhere...
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LydiaB

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 29 Location: Russia
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:17 am Post subject: |
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In Russian, you have to remember 6 forms of every singular noun (ie., each noun has 6 different endings). Once you've managed to remember whether this particular noun is masculine, feminine, or neutral (thus cutting down your ending possibilities from 18 to 6) you have to think about what case you're using.
For example:
It's a fish! (nominative), Let's cook the fish (accusative), I'll have my pancakes with fish (instrumental).
In English, as you can see, it's all just FISH, which is thankfully very easy to remember. In Russian each fish has a different tail.
If you add plurals into the equation, there are even more endings to take into consideration, and what's more, all these endings apply to any adjectives as well. So, if you're not a native speaker, and you're trying to learn all this stuff, you go a bit
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Rhapsody

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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Yes, but I was talking about Germanic Languages... now my German is a bit rusty, but I do know the gender of a word influences the noun you use... since German is related to English... _________________ I have not lost my mind - it's backed up on disk somewhere...
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| LydiaB wrote: |
So, if you're not a native speaker, and you're trying to learn all this stuff, you go a bit |
Yep. Add to that a Russian teacher who is actually to start with... (I didn't really get much farther than 'Sto eto?' though before my teacher quit).
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SpaceWeavil

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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| Rhapsody wrote: | | Yes, but I was talking about Germanic Languages... now my German is a bit rusty, but I do know the gender of a word influences the noun you use... since German is related to English... |
I think English is one of the few that doesn't do that, which is surprising since most of our parent languages (Latin, French, Anglo-Saxon, German inter alia ) all demonstrate gender in nouns, which influences things like adjectives associated with them.
Does anyone know the history behind it at all? As in why English doesn't have the same quirks when it comes to noun declension? _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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LydiaB

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 29 Location: Russia
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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I guess what I'm trying to say, none to clearly , is that nouns in Germanic languages decline differently from those in Russian because while, in German, you have to consider gender, in Russian you have to consider gender and also case. My German is also very rusty (I'd give my GCSE certificate back if I could, I feel such a fraud in having it ) but I don't think case matters. In English, case only clings on with certain pronouns: he/him etc.
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LydiaB

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 29 Location: Russia
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| SpaceWeavil wrote: |
(and forgive my not knowing how to type anything in Cyrillic on here, don't know the codes for it.) |
привет! I seem to have it on my computer already. Don't know how I managed that.  |
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