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Ottis413
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 Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject: Don't laugh, and put down that shotgun! |
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Go or no-go?
Don’t laugh, and hold the tar and feathers for a minute. You know you’ve all thought about it at one time or another.
The Wonderful Wizard of Isenguard........
Hold it hold it hold it! I know there are rules against this sort of quazy “Mary Sue” sort of thing. It’s not something I ever intended to post, I started it when I got stuck on another story I was working on called “And Rumors of War”. (an AU, fourth age story set in early industrial revolution Middle Earth, ala Spaceweavil's “Tale of the Sixth Age”, which I still haven’t got around to posting a review for, Great stuff!) I started it as a tung-in-cheek Baum/Tolkien parody for my own amusement, but the plot took off on its own and became a dark and somewhat disturbing thing almost from the beginning.
Dorothy does NOT have any contacts with Lord of the Rings characters, (and knows nothing of Tolkien) except for a few people in Bree and at least one wizard. (Like I said, the story is nowhere near done.)
No singing/talking animals. But maybe ents.
A Hobbit named Trotter.
But Westron = English, and it is basicity a “Mary Sue”.
Maybe I could change it to “David Gale” and hence make it a “Marty Stue”.(?) Maybe Dorothy/David could be black, son/daughter of share croppers, (someone else’s plot bunny, but I forget who’s) although that would be well out of my area of experience and I probably couldn’t write it believably.
So let me know what you think, if its just been done too many times, or just against the rules let me know and I’ll drop it. (But I might finish it just for myself.) 
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ghettoelleth
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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I'm KNOW that you are smart enough to know what a gaff this is and I just thought, David Gale? Ottis, you are one sick puppy. There's a special place east of Dis, just for you....
Marty Stu indeed.
If you didn't get and were just thinking of a John Doe equivelant for Dorothy Gale, well, ignorance of the law is no excuse young man. I think I'll be laughing about this one all day long! 
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Ottis413
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Have you ever had an idea, that you thought was really good at the time? Then after some thought, well, you get the idea....
(Usally drinking involved.)
And thanks to the lack of an edit button I'll never forget....
"Orcs, goblins and trolls, Oh my."
But I think the sub plot wich came out of this will make a good non-Mary Jane story, I'll just have to run with that and see......
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I turned to look but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown, the dream is gone.
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ghettoelleth
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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The story idea is wonderful. Just change the dudes name to Dick and it won't be...Well, I mean, David Gale is dead anyway, ya know, he didn't make it through the appeals process, lol.
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vladazhael
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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yes yes yes, do it!
mary sues, in male, female, or esoteric cultural reference form, have their places, and this is one of them.
and it's not as if baum's stories weren't disturbing in their own right; we mostly have hollywood to thank for making it as kid-friendly as it's generally thought to be. go dark. it's fun.  |
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ghettoelleth
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Yes, thank you Disney. My daughter got a hold of some of the HC Anderson tales in her school library and required psychiatric care after reading the little mermaid.
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Ottis413
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Did you ever read the original text of Peter Pan by J. M. Barrie????
| Quote: | and Peter standing on guard. After a time he fell
asleep, and some unsteady fairies had to climb over him on their
way home from an orgy. Any of the other boys obstructing the
fairy path at night they would have mischiefed, but they just
tweaked Peter's nose and passed on. |
| Quote: | they may remember to mention, a week
after the event happened, that when they were in the wood they
had met their dead father and had a game with him. |
That's just two I picked at random, 
Not for little kids of this day and age....... 
Note: This book is public domain now.....
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I turned to look but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown, the dream is gone.
Pink Floyd, Comfortably numb
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ghettoelleth
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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Oh the list goes on and on
Alice in Wonderland
The Red Shoes
The Tinderbox
The Little Matchgirl
All meant to be fairy bedtime stories.
Thanks, if its all the same I'll stick to going roundabout and roundabout and roundabout with Christopher Robin before he discovered the Woods.
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SpaceWeavil
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Ottis413 wrote: |
Note: This book is public domain now..... |
I always find that a bit sad that the copyright on Peter Pan's run out - the money for performance rights used to go to Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital before that. I've always wondered if the 2005 movie still donated anything to them, since they waited (conveniently) till it was in the public domain before acquiring the rights. They do mention in the credits that they'd 'like to thank' the Hospital or something, but I always wondered if they gave them any money. If not, it just seems a bit mean. But anyway, I'm digressing.
A lot of kids stuff is pretty dark though, even today - look at the Lemony Snicket (sp?) books for starters, or going back a little bit, the Roal Dahl books. Even Harry Potter has a few grisly bits in here and there.
Thing is though, when I was a kid, I loved stuff like that, darker the better. But then maybe that's why I'm so weird.
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SpaceWeavil
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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Errata - that's 2003 movie, not 2005. Only just woke up, sorry.
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NancyBrooke
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| ghettoelleth wrote: | | Oh the list goes on and on ... All meant to be fairy bedtime stories. |
Then you have to ask yourself, what are fairy bedtime stories supposed to be?  'harmless' disney-esque entertainment or parables for many of life's little pitfalls?
I love the subtext of the Little Mermaid: in order to have the man of her dreams she had to give up her voice and her heritage  that's not a fairy story ... that's real life for lots of folks.
I wanted to read Peter Pan to my daughter, but had to get a watered down version (which do exist by the way), but I have read her "Alice in Wonderland" straight out, with the Tenniel illustrations, no less. Of course, I get more of the jokes than she does:
| Quote: | | The regular course was Reeling and Writhing, of course, to begin with; and then the different branches of Arithmetic - Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and Derision |
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ghettoelleth
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And then there is that parabolic lesson we all need to learn, which can be derived from The Little Match Girl. If you're poor, you die shoeless in the snow outside of rich people's houses. Or how about The Girl Who Trod on a Loaf? If you like you're shoes too much to get them muddy, you will be slowly and tortourously consumed by all manner of swamp things.
OMG Duchess, your quote!
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ghettoelleth
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Oh, and last, but certainly not least, if you've never seen a smoking caterpillar, your nursery school is selling crap acid.
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Ottis413
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| Quote: | Quote:
“David Gale”
I'm KNOW that you are smart enough to know what a gaff this is and I just thought, David Gale? Ottis, you are one sick puppy. There's a special place east of Dis, just for you....
Marty Stu indeed. |
I had never heard of David Gale before, I thought I was missing something after reading your post, so I just now googled the name.  It was just a name I picked at random.... oh well...
How 'bout 'Donald Gale'?  (JK)
Maybe I'll just stick to Dorothy. 
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When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse, Out of the corner of my eye
I turned to look but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown, the dream is gone.
Pink Floyd, Comfortably numb
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Sulriel
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| Ottis413 wrote: | I had never heard of David Gale before, I thought I was missing something after reading your post, so I just now googled the name. It was just a name I picked at random.... oh well...
How 'bout 'Donald Gale'? (JK)
Maybe I'll just stick to Dorothy. |
just write the durn thing Ottis, it sounds like fun! - and I'd call her Dorthea.! 
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