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ellisk

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 579 Location: Icon by Alassante! Wow!
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:46 pm Post subject: Question about hit counter and replies to reviews |
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I think it's kind of interesting to look at the hit counter on the stories I post just to get an idea of how many people are reading (gives you some idea if you are being interesting, going to slow if interest drops off etc). My question is: when I click on my own story, does that make the hit counter go up? If so, is there a way to look to see how many hits you have without going to the first page of the story to look and generating a hit yourself (it kind of distorts the number and you forget how many times you looked). Its no big deal. I'm just curious.
Also, how is the way most people reply to reviews? Alot of the time people write really interesting things and you want to answer...sometimes you even feel inspired to drop a little hint about the story in response to a review that you might want everyone to read if they are the sort that likes to look at reviews. I had been responding to reviews using the review function but then I read somewhere on the forum that annoys people because it makes you look like you have more reviews than you really have. I can see that point so I don't want to do that anymore. How else can you have a little dialogue though. I kind of like that (former lit teacher and all that).
Thanks for any suggestions. |
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dolarabee Site Admin

Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Posts: 175 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:59 am Post subject: |
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As far as I know, and I'm sure hubby will correct me if I'm wrong, you cannot see the hit counter without going to the story page itself and, as you gathered, generate another hit for yourself. That said, once you're logged in, you can go back to your story as many times as you want and the hit will only be registered once for that whole logging period.
Sorry, that counter is really just a silly indicator and in no way accurate or really linked to how many times the story is actually read. For all we know, some authors might log in every day and go click on their stories just to bump up the number of hits...
As for your other question considering reviews, here's my two pence. Don't worry about annoying people with replying to reviews within the review feature itself. (Actually, I cannot believe people have actually complained about this. *rolls eyes* ) I think it's the best way to explain a point a reviewer might have raised and, in doing so, lets everyone else see that explanation or clarification. If it's just a thank you to a review, then, by all means, the best way to address that is probably using the PM feature or e-mail. And there are some reviews you might prefer discuss one on one with the reviewer. It all depends. But yeah - thinking out loud here - if it's a response to a review you think other readers/reviewers should see, why not post it in the reviews? It'll save you repeating yourself off-site.
Don't let whomever might have complained about the fact it makes you look like you have more reviews than you really have deter you from answering though. As a reviewer, I like hearing back from the author. And besides, when does the number of reviews is indicative of the quality of a fic? The reviews themselves, yes, not their number.
do. _________________ Je sais de la vie qu'elle se termine souvent au lit,
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Thuriniel
Joined: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 665 Location: Watching the purple sky fly over me ...
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Question about hit counter and replies to reviews |
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| ellisk wrote: | Alot of the time people write really interesting things and you want to answer...sometimes you even feel inspired to drop a little hint about the story in response to a review that you might want everyone to read if they are the sort that likes to look at reviews. I had been responding to reviews using the review function but then I read somewhere on the forum that annoys people because it makes you look like you have more reviews than you really have. I can see that point so I don't want to do that anymore. How else can you have a little dialogue though. I kind of like that (former lit teacher and all that).
Thanks for any suggestions. |
I usually send a PM to the reviewers thanking them and yes, sometimes dropping hints, or sharing my thoughts on some of the points they make. When one (or many) of the reviewers makes a point that really catches my attention and I think it would be worth it being adressed for everyone to see, then I will write my thoughts/explanation in an author's note at the beginning of the next chapter. There is no garantee that the readers of the fic will read the reviews, but it's highly possible that they will read the next chapter. _________________ ~ boe an phân pedi ‘lam dadui ~
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Yavanie

Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 630 Location: Texas
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:14 am Post subject: |
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I frequently read reviews and have never been bothered at reading an author's reply to questions and comments about their story. I took it as a natural progression from the reviews. Why comment or make suggestions if you think author might not take it into account or think about clarifying a point or even just basking in a little well deserved attention. That said, I have also much appreciated the private messages I have received just saying thanks for reviewing and telling me new chapters will be up soon.
Stay true to your personality and let your feelings guide you. _________________ Yavanie
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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I must admit that I've held off replying to reviews using the review function because I thought that was a no-no and might annoy people. I can see the logic behind doing that though.
As for hit counters, I noticed that I knock it up one when I look at the story, as usually I am hit number 1, when I go to check the thing has uploaded properly. I check them every so often just to see how many people have looked. I've just upgraded my account on FF.Net to get a hit counter there but it's depressing, as it gives individual hit counters for each chapter, so you can see how many people didn't get past chapter 1.
It's also depressing to have something with 95+ hits and 0 reviews But it goes up if you look at your own story as well. _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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Robbie Site Admin

Joined: 22 Jun 2003 Posts: 1100 Location: Sydney, Australia.
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:53 am Post subject: |
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One of the largest purveyors of the stories are search engine robots (e.g. google, msn, yahoo!). Each time they visit, up goes the hit counter.
The hit counter, rating etc are just meant to be some harmless fun. Neither of them really mean very much at all. _________________ Rob
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inglor

Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 853 Location: Not here, not there, not anywhere
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| SpaceWeavil wrote: |
As for hit counters, I noticed that I knock it up one when I look at the story, as usually I am hit number 1, when I go to check the thing has uploaded properly. I check them every so often just to see how many people have looked. I've just upgraded my account on FF.Net to get a hit counter there but it's depressing, as it gives individual hit counters for each chapter, so you can see how many people didn't get past chapter 1.
It's also depressing to have something with 95+ hits and 0 reviews But it goes up if you look at your own story as well. |
Henneth Annun is the same way and it is remrkably depressing to see the hits drop off after the first chapter
Sorry OT...
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ellisk

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 579 Location: Icon by Alassante! Wow!
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:55 am Post subject: Thanks |
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| Thank you all for the feedback on this. Sorry it took me so long to get back in and thank you. My power has been out due to Hurricane Jeanne and I just got back on. Everyone's comments have been very helpful. I do like communicating with reviewers so I'm glad to know people's suggestions on good ways to do it. Thanks again! |
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:43 am Post subject: Re: Thanks |
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| ellisk wrote: | | Thank you all for the feedback on this. Sorry it took me so long to get back in and thank you. My power has been out due to Hurricane Jeanne and I just got back on. Everyone's comments have been very helpful. I do like communicating with reviewers so I'm glad to know people's suggestions on good ways to do it. Thanks again! |
I know this is slightly OT, but on the subject of replying to reviews, is there any etiquette for doing that on FF.Net at all? I have a couple of dozen altogether on there now and feel a bit odd not thanking the reviewers, especially those who review each chapter. Also there have been a few odd ones that bring up points I could do with answering, as the criticisms are in error, if you know what I mean. But I have no idea how to do that there, or if one does do that there.
As for HASA, I have forgotten my password and username for there anyway, so have no idea how many hits I have. Not a site I like visiting to be honest. _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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Ilmatar
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 25
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | but on the subject of replying to reviews, is there any etiquette for doing that on FF.Net at all? |
In FF.net authors usually include an authors note to their chapters where they answer the reviews. I do not think that is a good system, because the note can easily become very long. And if the note is before the actual chapter it is a bit annoying to read dozens of lines of "I am so glad you liked my story". |
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ellisk

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 579 Location: Icon by Alassante! Wow!
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Thanks |
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| Yeah, what I do at FF is put answers at the end of my chapters if I think its something everyone might want to see. If its just 'thanks for the review' and they left a signed review, I click on their name and then click on their email address and send them an email. If its not signed, there's not a lot you can do. It does make me feel badt though--if people take the time to review, I am more than happy to show my appreciation. |
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ellisk

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 579 Location: Icon by Alassante! Wow!
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| SpaceWeavil wrote: | I've just upgraded my account on FF.Net to get a hit counter there but it's depressing, as it gives individual hit counters for each chapter, so you can see how many people didn't get past chapter 1.
It's also depressing to have something with 95+ hits and 0 reviews But it goes up if you look at your own story as well. |
Yeah, that's just sad isn't it. And we paid money to see that! I have a friend on there that got a couple thousand hits for her first chapter and two hundred for her second. You think that doesn't make you wonder. But everyone who reviewed raved over the story. Hit counts can't really mean much. But its irresistible to look at them.
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Ariel

Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 164
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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A while back, I heard about one of your authors complaining that someone was going into all her stories and ranking them down. The rumor was that she was quite upset about it but I never heard what the resolution was. Is there an update on this situation and is there was any mechanism in place to discourage people from doing this to others?
Thank you for your time.
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Robbie Site Admin

Joined: 22 Jun 2003 Posts: 1100 Location: Sydney, Australia.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:28 am Post subject: |
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We monitor for such behaviour and don't react nicely when it occurs. _________________ Rob
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VanatheEverYoung
Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 0 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Thanks |
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Personally, I reply via e-mail (although there is now a PM function) to signed reviews. Unsigned reviews I still appreciate, but I'm not going to include lengthy notes. I detest lengthy thank you's before or after chapters, so I will not do it myself.
About the hit counters at ff.net. Ignore them! Seriously, take a closer look. I have something like 5000 hits overall. When I add up the numbers per chapter, it's more like 2000. How is it at all possible that 70 people read Chapter 20 and 233 read Chapter 21? It's not logical. I didn't have to pay for the hit counter, so I'm not bothered by it. I judge by reviews, not hits. _________________
Vána, the Ever-Young
"All flowers spring as she passes and open if she glances upon them; and all birds sing at her coming." |
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