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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:55 am Post subject: Nana, Gamaw, Grammy, Pop-pop, Grandaddy, whoosit-called |
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Not trying to blow my own horn here (for once); I'm looking for a general concensus: anyone got an idea about what the Sindarin words for grandparents would be?
In this archive I've seen two different solutions:
Daerada from daer (great) + ada (father) for Paternal Grandfather
Daerion from daer (great) + ion (son of)
from (I'm sorry!) I forget where but I was told by the author she had seen it elsewhere;
and from MeldelwenIlce in her wonderful story "Child of Aule":
Daeradar from daer (great) + adar (father) for Paternal Grandfather
and Daernaneth from daer (great) + naneth (mother) for Maternal Grandfather (as I remember)
For a fic I have put aside for now I experimented with a lot of combinations, but settled on:
Adadhron from ada (father) = odhron (male parent) to mean Paternal Grandfather
Adadhril from ada (father) = odhril (female parent) to mean Paternal Grandmother
Nanadhron from Nana (mother) + odhron (male parent) to mean Maternal Grandfather
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Nanadhril from Nana (mother) + odhril (female parent) to mean Maternal Grandmother
So, what do you all think? Got any other ideas? I know I'm going to need it sooner or later. _________________ NB Duchess of WHY TF Cant'chu Punctuate, First Duchess of F*&(ing &*ll yur comma placement sux!
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Daeradar/naneth are the names I use myself and have seen in the most fics. That's my two cents.  _________________ It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye.
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Yavanie

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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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I like the differentiation of the maternal and paternal grandparents. so much more respectful than just lumpin them all into grandma and grandpa (plus no one fights over who gets to be called nanna) _________________ Yavanie
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Thuriniel
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:46 am Post subject: |
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How did I miss this post?!
Great translations Nancy! I really like how you have distinguished between paternal and maternal grandparents.
The translation I've used for grandfather has been:
"Aradeg" from Arad (father) and beleg (great).
Now I see that there's another word for (great) that fits better the meaning (I recall I didn't check the dictionary ... it scares me to think I'm beginning to write Sindarin without checking notes . I'm a danger now!). So I probably should've gone with "Arader."
A little something I would like to note here, and if I'm being a snob, please let me know, you have my permission to kick my ass.
Since Sindarin takes adjectives after the noun, it would be better if "adar" is used first, followed by great "daer." I'm mentioning this because I've seen a few of these translations with adjective preceeding the noun.
And now I'll go hide  _________________ ~ boe an phân pedi ‘lam dadui ~
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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No! No hiding ... especially since I solicited your involvement. I always appreciate your advice.
Thanks for keeping the rest of us amateurs on the up and up, as always!! _________________ NB Duchess of WHY TF Cant'chu Punctuate, First Duchess of F*&(ing &*ll yur comma placement sux!
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Rous

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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| Thuriniel wrote: | How did I miss this post?!
Great translations Nancy! I really like how you have distinguished between paternal and maternal grandparents.
The translation I've used for grandfather has been:
"Aradeg" from Arad (father) and beleg (great).
Now I see that there's another word for (great) that fits better the meaning (I recall I didn't check the dictionary ... it scares me to think I'm beginning to write Sindarin without checking notes . I'm a danger now!). So I probably should've gone with "Arader."
A little something I would like to note here, and if I'm being a snob, please let me know, you have my permission to kick my ass.
Since Sindarin takes adjectives after the noun, it would be better if "adar" is used first, followed by great "daer." I'm mentioning this because I've seen a few of these translations with adjective preceeding the noun.
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I was sent here by Nancy to check out some terms. With the "Arader", I am confused. "Arad" means daytime, according to DragonFlame. Now, if I am using an incorrect source, please let me know. It has contridicted several words I thought I knew.
That being said, would "Adadaer" work as grandfather?
On another note, I needed words for uncle, aunt and cousin. Any help there? Right now I am just using English until I find out different. Not very conducive. Any help is appreciated. _________________ The only opinions that count, are those of the ones in control.
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Alassante Virtual Village Mod

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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Nana, Gamaw, Grammy, Pop-pop, Grandaddy, whoosit-called |
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| NancyBrooke wrote: | Adadhril from ada (father) = odhril (female parent) to mean Paternal Grandmother
Nanadhril from Nana (mother) + odhril (female parent) to mean Maternal Grandmother
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Have the sindarin guru's decided that this is right? I need a word for grandmother but I wanted to make sure. _________________ Nagzul #2 - The Nazgul of Shmoove
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I can live with those, as it makes sense. Dunno if that means anyting though  _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think there's a 'right' or a 'wrong' here, Al, just an 'I like this one so I'm going to use it.' _________________ NB Duchess of WHY TF Cant'chu Punctuate, First Duchess of F*&(ing &*ll yur comma placement sux!
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Alassante Virtual Village Mod

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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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As long as no one screams at me for using 'grey elvish' I'm cool with these. Thanks you two! _________________ Nagzul #2 - The Nazgul of Shmoove
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