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Ottis413
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 Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject: Dwarfish cursing? |
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I'm in need of a good Dwarf ass-chewing, No, no, I don't mean I need a Dwarf to do it to me, I need a good insult for some elves that pissed off one of my Dwarf characters (Gee, that wasn't hard, was it?) in the fic I'm writing.
Ok, the hard part; I need it in Dwarfish.
I was going to use the line Gimili used in the PJ's extended vs. of FotR, when the fellowship was entering Lothlorien, but the line wasn't sub-titled, and I have no idea how to spell that stuff let alone figure out what it ment....
The only words I have found translated so far have been place-names and some basic stuff, so, any ideas???
I just want the Elves to be shocked/pissed, not killing mad.
Or should I just use the basics and make it up from there.
Sigin zirak mênu, stup ai-mênu bund. Bund-u-arse... or something like that (?)
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Ottis413
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Oh, and I forgot, while I was researching this, I came across some references to "Petty Dwarfs" mentoned in the Sim (?) I don't have a copy of the Sim so I can't look it up, does anyone know the story behind that? I had never heard of them before...
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| Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| Ottis413 wrote: | | Oh, and I forgot, while I was researching this, I came across some references to "Petty Dwarfs" mentoned in the Sim (?) I don't have a copy of the Sim so I can't look it up, does anyone know the story behind that? I had never heard of them before... |
The Silm doesn't say much about them:
In the time that followed Túrin spoke much with Mîm, and sitting with him alone he listened to his lore and the tale of his life. For Mîm came of Dwarves that were banished in ancient days from the great Dwarf-cities of the east, and long before the return of Morgoth they wandered westward into Beleriand; but they became diminished in stature and in smith-craft, and they took to lives of stealth, walking with bowed shoulders and furtive steps. Before the Dwarves of Nogrod and Belegost came west over the mountains the Elves of Beleriand knew not what these others were, and they hunted them, and slew them; but afterwards they let them alone, and they were called Noegyth Nibin, the Petty-Dwarves, in the Sindarin tongue. They loved none but themselves, and if they feared and hated the Orcs, they hated the Eldar no less, and the Exiles most of all; for the Noldor, they said, had stolen their lands and their homes. Long ere King Finrod Felagund came over the Sea, the caves of Nargothrond were discovered by them, and by them its delving was begun; and beneath the crown of Amon Rûdh, the Bald Hill, the slow hands of the Petty-Dwarves had bored and deepened the caves through the long years that they dwelt there, untroubled by the Grey-elves of the woods. But now at last they had dwindled and died out of Middle-earth, all save Mîm and his two sons; and Mîm was old even in the reckoning of Dwarves, old and forgotten. And in his halls the smithies were idle, and the axes rusted, and their name was remembered only in ancient tales of Doriath and Nargothrond.
So Mim is the only one we really know much about. He is featured in Turin's story.
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NancyBrooke
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| Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Here's a translation of Gimli's movie curse; can't speak for its accuracy.
Also, did you check Ardalambion and their (understandably brief) glossary of Dwarvish words?
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Ottis413
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| Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, that was what I was looking for!  
So, do you think "Noegyth Nibin" or "petty Dwarf" would be something an Elf would call a Dwarf in the latter part of the third age if he were wanting to start something?? 
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The child is grown, the dream is gone.
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NancyBrooke
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'Small' or 'Short' beard might be more insulting.
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When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse, Out of the corner of my eye
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The child is grown, the dream is gone.
Pink Floyd, Comfortably numb
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Ottis413
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Would this be correct Sindarin?
Nogoth niben = Petty-Dwarf (lit. Dwarf petty)
fang estent = short beard (lit. beard short)
Naug ah fang estent = Dwarf with short beard.
Neweg ah fang estent = Dwarfs with short beard(s)
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When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse, Out of the corner of my eye
I turned to look but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown, the dream is gone.
Pink Floyd, Comfortably numb
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