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DarkElfChilde



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:25 am    Post subject: Help Me Anyone? Reply with quote

I have maybe a few questions that I would liked answered as best as you can for the story that I'm writing.

One: I need to know where I can find names for orcs. Two male names and one female name. If anyone can help me with that, I'll give you a hug, a star, whatever. Smile

Two: I don't have much information on Legolas, but I've read some that were posted on the forum that I've already seen on some sites about his age. I've read somewhere, and not sure if this is correct, but did Legolas get wounded sometime in his life? Because on this unknown site I was at, it said that he was shot with an arrow...if its true, then I know that I can make reference to that in a later chapter.

Three: I forgot this question, lucky you. Ha!

Anyway, hope any of you kind people can Help!!! me with these questions. I will honestly Bow to whoever does. Very Happy

Your friendly elf,

DarkElfChilde or CK.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orc names eh? Thats an interesting request. I would assume they would be safe to just make up, I dont think the black speech vocab is that extensive. Rolling Eyes *cowers before Andreth*

Legolas? There's just not a lot to know.

http://www.openscrolls.net/fanfic/story.php?no=79

Thats a fairly good story posted on this site. If you still have questions after that, ask away. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orc names - try thishttp://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/orkish.htm

It's a bit hard to read because of the colours but I like this site. Has most other Tolkien languages as well. Very Happy

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Anna



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not check out this site:
www.tinni.100megsfree5.com/canonNOfanon/

They´re really good at separating canon from fanon.

Orc-names? I have no idea, but you can have my made-up Orc-name -- Pogdush! I know, not very evil... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the links. Carrot
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jess beat me to it. That's probably the best reference you'll find on the Black Speech. It's suspected that Tolkien based the Black Speech on ancient Sumerian, and I've taken to using Sumerian as a substitute. I've found some online dictionaries if you need any of them.

As for Legolas, you're on your own on most things about him. Nobody knows his age, hair color, eye color, mother... His father is Thranduil and his grandfather is Oropher, that's about the extent of his given family tree. I don't recall it ever being mentioned that Legolas was wounded with an arrow at any point, but surely it wouldn't be implausible that he had been wounded at some point in his life.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could use the dictionaries; I like all the info that I can get. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anna wrote:
Why not check out this site:
www.tinni.100megsfree5.com/canonNOfanon/


I'm sorry, I have to hand out my usual warning for sites like this and Encyclopedia of Arda - always double check the information you find there. Many things are incorrect.

I noticed that the idea of Hobbits disliking being called Men was listed as being unknown if it was fanon or not, but in the Return of the King Pippin is very indignant at being called a Man:
"'Man!' cried Pippin, now thoroughly roused. 'Man! Indeed not! I am a hobbit and no more valiant than I am a man, save perhaps now and again by necessity. Do not let Gandalf deceive you!"

Off topic, I know, but just an example of why you should double check your sources. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used most of my information from Encyclopedia of Arda, mostly for the things that I need, like Sauron's history, the Valar and other subjects that I could find that could be good use for my story...the only book I have is the Simillirion (I think I spelled that wrong...looks wrong), but I misplaced it somewhere in my disaster area of a room. Sad Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a few dictionaries -

http://itanakh.org/languages/sumerian/

http://www.sumerian.org/sumerlex.htm

http://www.sumerian.org/sumlinks.htm

Let me know if you need any help with them. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a link to some online text of Tolkien's books including the trilogy, Unfinished Tales and the Silm

http://www.nwywre.com/library/tolkien/

A couple of other good sites for reference and to double check your info -

Annals of Arda http://www.annalsofarda.dk/

and The Thain's Book www.tuckborough.net

I've found the Thain's Book to be more accurate than any others I've seen.

Hope they help. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Anna. I have a lot of reseaching to do. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm sorry, I have to hand out my usual warning for sites like this and Encyclopedia of Arda - always double check the information you find there. Many things are incorrect.

I noticed that the idea of Hobbits disliking being called Men was listed as being unknown if it was fanon or not, but in the Return of the King Pippin is very indignant at being called a Man:
"'Man!' cried Pippin, now thoroughly roused. 'Man! Indeed not! I am a hobbit and no more valiant than I am a man, save perhaps now and again by necessity. Do not let Gandalf deceive you!"

Off topic, I know, but just an example of why you should double check your sources.


Yes I know, but it´s a good place to start, methinks. Smile

Besides, we use you, my dear Anna, when we want to double check anything! That´s what you get for knowing pretty much everything! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have another question...canon or fanon...since Sauron was a powerful being, or a sorcerer, and can change his forms to whatever he wanted, do you think he could do other things as well, like create minions, or something like that? I might not use this idea because I have another idea, but the second idea seems kind of (stupid) to me even though it's an alternative one.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to Tolkien, nobody could create life but Eru, or sentient life forms anyway. This was a rule he set early on and a big stumbling block in his Orc-creation ideas, but I won't ramble on about that.

Sauron could have created a life form, but it wouldn't have had a soul or independent thought. It could only do things it had been taught to do, in robotic or ant-like fashion, but it wouldn't be something capable of independent thought or feelings. It would basically be like an automaton, able only to give responses or actions that had already been programmed into it. Like the Golem of Jewish legend.

He could have taken an already-created being, like an Elf or Man, and used his powers to warp it into something that would serve him, such as what he did with the Ringwraiths.
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