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 Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 2:13 pm Post subject: Erestor |
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I can’t remember what thread this was mentioned on for the life of me, but a while back I read comments about Erestor having nearly been included in the fellowship rather than Legolas, and that he was half-elven. Could someone tell me where this info comes from – if it’s HoME as I would suspect, then which volume? Basically, as I’m on a budget, I’ve been buying up HoME bit by bit, buying the volumes I need first, if you get me. I’m thinking seriously about an Erestor fic and want to check my facts.
So, any suggestions/opinions?
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Uh.... Anna?
I never found anything on Erestor other than what is in the FotR. And from there, all we know about him was that he was a Noldorin high councilor.
Huh. That sounds like Fanon with the capitol 'F' to me.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Uh.... Anna?
I never found anything on Erestor other than what is in the FotR. And from there, all we know about him was that he was a Noldorin high councilor.
Huh. That sounds like Fanon with the capitol 'F' to me. |
Hmnn. I honestly can’t remember what thread it was in. Could possibly have been the discussion about fanon. I just got the impression that it was in some notes the Prof made or something and then scrapped. If I could find it, I would know. Just hope it’s not one of those weird things where I think I remember something then find out it’s all a dream…. 
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Wasn't it Glorfindel who was almost chosen to go?
Or maybe he was just mentioned as one of the possible companions while Frodo and the other hobbits were waiting for Elrond to decide who would accompany the Ring to Mordor?
I do remember seeing a discussion on why Legolas was sent instead of one of the more powerful Elf Lords. Essentially the argument was that Sauron would notice him immediately because he was too powerful. It's an interesting argument, by why wouldn't Sauron notice Gandalf for the same reason?
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I remember the part where Elrond is trying to dissuade the hobbits from going with Frodo – an I think there he offers to send one of his lot, if I’m not mistaken. But if nobody else has ever heard of this Erestor thing [and it was definitely him mentioned in the earlier post because they were on about him also being half-elven, and that wouldn’t be Glorfindel, if that makes any sense] then I suppose I can do what I like with Erestor in a fic. Maybe it was a fanon thing.
Oh, and we know why Legolas went with the fellowship – cos they wanted to send someone who wouldn’t be missed if an orc ate him.  [Apologies to all Legolas fans…I don’t mean it really] 
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I thought it was Glorfindel as well. However that particular set of books is packed away in preparation for my move. Perhaps someone else can enlighten us as to why the Professor didn't pick Glorfindel.
As for Gandalf, I know that he possessed Narya, but did he ever actually wear it? Not wearing the ring might have something to do with being able to conceal his presence from Sauron.
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At the end of Return of the King when they are all trotting off to the Havens, it says Gandalf wore Narya ‘openly’ for the first time or something, which might imply that he wore it but kept it hidden, or that he never wore it, depending on how you want to interpret it.
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Rejected line ups for the Fellowship, taken from The Return of hte Shadow, HoME.
Gandalf, Trotter, Frodo, Sam, Merry, Faramond, Folco, Glorfindel, Burin son of Balin. (9)
Gandalf, Trotter, Frodo, Sam, Merry, Faramond, Glorfindel. (7)
Gandalf, Trotter, Frodo, Sam, Merry, Faramond, Boromir. (7)
Trotter was a hobbit. He got taller and became Strider.
Faramond became Peregrin.
Folco was ultimately left out of the story.
Burin became Gimli.
Deciding who should be part of the Fellowship obviously gave the Professor a very difficult time.
There is a brief mention of Erestor in both the text of chapter 23 and footnote 17 of the same chapter.
| Quote: | | In the previous account of those present at the council, the three cousellors of Rivendell are Erestor, called 'an Elf', and two other kinsmen of Elrond, of that half-elvish folk whom the Elves named the children of Luthien - which seems however to imply that Erestor also was Elrond's kinsman. |
It sounds like Erestor was considered half-elven, at least at one point in time.
Why no Glorfindel? It's in chapter 8 of the Treason of Isengard, HoME. Elrond states that he can't send the elf-lords because they weren't powerful enough to escape notice by Sauron.
Reading the HoME books, it's fascinating to see the creative process that led to the story of Lord of the Rings. The tale really did grow in the telling, and not only because it drew upon the stories of the Silmarillion. Considering the number of times he rewrote things...in longhand...it's small wonder that it took Tolkien about 15 years to complete the Lord of the Rings.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you so much for finding that and quoting that. I’m still undecided about making Erestor half-elven but I now know where to look to check my facts. Eventually I suppose I will have all the bits of HoME. Just wish I could afford the whole lot. [as well as that lovely hardback edition of the Silm they have in Borders, which would nicely replace my fuzzy, yellowed, ancient paperback…]
Thanks again
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Weavy - thats fanon rubbish. There is nothing in any of the other pubished Tolkien stuff about Erestor being half elven. There was a mention of him being a Noldo refugee from Ost-in-Edhil but other than that and his rank - nothing at all.
And that info comes from the Officially Endorsed Erestor Website. 
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Yeah, but it means, if there’s nothing specified in canon, that I can do what I want with him [in a literary sense] Haven’t actually decided as I’m sort of working backwards, time-wise in these fics [for no real reason other than that’s how it’s worked out] but I am definitely toying with a proper Erestor story, since there is nothing really known about him. I think I’ve sort of done Eregion to death though, so this time I oughta do something different.
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Just make him sexy...
You may want to read Papilios fic as well for an idea. Look it up! It was cracking!
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Getting ideas isn’t a problem for me…it’s getting GOOD ideas that’s my problem  I will look that up though, when I come to do this story. Thanks
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