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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:37 am Post subject: Revising or Removing fics |
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I need to ask advice from some of the writers around here more experienced than I am (which is probably most of you ). Basically I have been looking at some older fics of mine lately that had received few reviews and no ratings at all, despite a load of hits, with a mind maybe to rewriting the ones I think have got something worth salvaging. However I also now have a fic which has received my lowest rating ever in a very short space of time. I will be the first to admit it was sort of drabbly, really just exploring an idea that wouldn’t stop bugging me, but I’m thinking now maybe I shouldn’t have uploaded it at all, that maybe there is something awful about it that I just didn’t see.
A literary agent I worked with once told me that you only had one chance showing people you’re work, as after that people would think. ‘hey I read this already’ and wouldn’t go on, no matter what revisions you had done.
So I’m really not sure what to do. So what I’m asking is, if something has a low rating / bad reviews etc., would you rewrite it and repost, leave it in the hope that maybe someone out there likes it, or would you just remove it altogether? _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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BittenBuggy

Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 2108 Location: Busy Being the Queen Of Everything.. And Trying to Catch the Yoda-Copter
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Revising or Removing fics |
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| SpaceWeavil wrote: |
A literary agent I worked with once told me that you only had one chance showing people you’re work, as after that people would think. ‘hey I read this already’ and wouldn’t go on, no matter what revisions you had done. |
I will admit to doing that. I rarely read things twice (unless they are by Larien - Sind should agree )
However, I am having similar doubts. I am consitering a revision of My Hairy Prisoner, a fic I wrote in response to a challege months ago. I was never very pleased with it in the first place, but I am thinking about some changes and possibly a sequel. So *waves hand* I could use some advice too!  _________________ -The Queen of Everything - so dubed by Aerin
-"My ultimate fantasy is to entice a man to my bedroom, put a gun to his head and say, 'Make babies or die'."
-"The Pope! how many divisions has he got?" - Stalin |
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 160 Location: In a motel 6 by the airport
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:47 am Post subject: |
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I have looked at revised things when prompted by an author's request, e.g. some note on the forum or group or in summary saying, "hey, I revised this a lot, didn't feel comfortable with the first shot, think it's much better now, please take a look."
If it was an author I respected, person I'd 'talked' to on the forum or a story I had been intrigued by the first time I'd definitely give it a look. _________________ NB Duchess of WHY TF Cant'chu Punctuate, First Duchess of F*&(ing &*ll yur comma placement sux!
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Philia

Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 44 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Even if people don't read it twice, always consider there'll be new people (for example I joined only yesterday) who'll read it for the first time ... maybe if you'll revise it, these people will give you better reviews?
In any case, I'm always for revising stories ... but not for them... for myself, you know?  _________________ ~Yet such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere~ |
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Aerin

Joined: 16 Jun 2004 Posts: 417 Location: ORLI'S LIPS are distracting me
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:53 am Post subject: |
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SHUT UP!!! (Sorry, I saw Princess Diaries 2 yesterday) Spacey, I would re read any of your stories! I liked them when I read them, I was just so new, to fan fic and the site that I did not want to show my newbie ness.
Ms. BB, I Loved the Hairy Prisoner. I would love a sequel. I love stories that make you think differently about a character, and that story, made me think differently that is for sure.
I can not bring myself to finish some of the fics that I have started, because they are so poorly canonized. I would hope that if I wrote something that could be tweaked and made better that someone would read it again!
SO, I guess what I am saying is, I would and would love to read something that is "New and Improved." So scribble away!!!! _________________ Pervy Elf Fancier. |
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Philia

Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 44 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| Aerin wrote: |
I can not bring myself to finish some of the fics that I have started, because they are so poorly canonized. |
Same over here, that's why I stick to my movie-verse fanfiction  _________________ ~Yet such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere~ |
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | SHUT UP!!! (Sorry, I saw Princess Diaries 2 yesterday) Spacey, I would re read any of your stories! I liked them when I read them, I was just so new, to fan fic and the site that I did not want to show my newbie ness.
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Thanks That’s twice today that someone’s said something nice to me. I’m starting to get worried…
I have hit upon a plan for my lousy fic. Since I’ve no idea what’s so horrible about it, I am now recruiting for a masochistic beta reader. Maybe since my first beta wasn’t really a LOTR fan, she didn’t see something in the plot or something. I don’t know. Worth a try I reckon  _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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BittenBuggy

Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 2108 Location: Busy Being the Queen Of Everything.. And Trying to Catch the Yoda-Copter
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| Aerin wrote: | | Ms. BB, I Loved the Hairy Prisoner. I would love a sequel. I love stories that make you think differently about a character, and that story, made me think differently that is for sure. |
'Different' That is indeed the word. I'm thinking maybe some more twinkie time for Hairy 2. I love them so  _________________ -The Queen of Everything - so dubed by Aerin
-"My ultimate fantasy is to entice a man to my bedroom, put a gun to his head and say, 'Make babies or die'."
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:20 am Post subject: |
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'Different' That is indeed the word. I'm thinking maybe some more twinkie time for Hairy 2. I love them so  |
I am fast becoming a ‘twinkie’ fan myself, I have to say, so another story with more of them would get my vote.  _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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Thuriniel
Joined: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 665 Location: Watching the purple sky fly over me ...
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| SpaceWeavil wrote: |
Thanks That’s twice today that someone’s said something nice to me. I’m starting to get worried…
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After having read "Alliance" I know that you have the potential and the talent to rewrite a fic succesfully and make it even better the second time around ... so go for it, I'll be one of your readers !
There ... now you can say that you got three compliments today !
Doesn't it put a wide smile on your face ?! _________________ ~ boe an phân pedi ‘lam dadui ~
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:35 am Post subject: |
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OK, I have another question on this same thread (and it is probably a stupid question – I excel at those )
My latest story I want to rewrite isn’t a problem, as I just pulled it and it hadn't been on particularly long. When I get the time to make all the changes it needs, I will just put it up as if it were a new story (which, let’s face it, it will be). I’ll put a note in the summary that it’s a revised version of the other so people won’t read it and go, hey I already saw this, close window. That’s all okay and I know what I’m doing there.
However…
I also eventually want to revise some of my earlier fics, which aren’t lousy enough that I want to pull them straight away before anyone sees them and increases my shame (IMO anyway) but which I know could be improved if I applied some of the skills I’ve acquired, thanks to feedback from you people. So, how do I do that? Do I rewrite chapter by chapter and just replace it, without removing the story completely? Or do I remove the whole thing and start again, which loses any ratings or reviews I already have? But then, since those reviews are for the old version, not the new, would it be better to lose everything and start from scratch?
What do you guys think, or what do you do in this situation? _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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sindohte

Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 1621 Location: Rubbing up against an Elf
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Jess,
I will definitely be interested in hearing what people have to say because I jumped the gun with my Welome to the Family fic and now I am not sure whether it will dovetail neatly with Origins, which I consider to be the more accurate version of the tale I am trying to tell. What I will probably end up doing is incorporating the chapters that I have already posted, along with the 5 or so unfinished chapters and then after revising them madly, add them to the Origins story. As to whether I will delete Welcome to the Family, probably not because it has a chapter that I wrote specifically for GLT that I don't want to delete So I suppose I will leave it up there and just change the story summary and let people know that it is an earlier draft/alternate version of a newer story.
S _________________ abandon thought, and let the dream descend... |
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Elentari

Joined: 12 May 2003 Posts: 254 Location: Lost in elven dreams...
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:19 am Post subject: |
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Don`t know what I should tell ya. I personally go for the Professor`s way of thinking- which is, do it over and over and over again. I cannot stop myself, really, specially as time passes by and I realise the flaws and the things that could be done differently, better. I tried to keep the ever-changing story off OSA for a long while so I could post it here when I had a more-or-les definite version, however.
As for the reviews, I do not know. I guess it`s up to you, really. |
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Viv Challenge Admin

Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 71 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:31 am Post subject: |
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I've done it both ways. Most of the time, I just insert rewrites without pulling the story completely. I'm always going back into Dawn Twilight and adding new clues in early chapters. I know this makes it hard on folks who've read the older versions, but it *is* a work-in-progress. Still, it might not be wise.
I've also pulled a story and revised it secretly. I haven't reposted it yet, so I don't know how that will go over. Let me know how your experiment goes.  |
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sindohte

Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 1621 Location: Rubbing up against an Elf
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Very naughty of you Viv *wags finger* Now I must go back and re-read Dawn Twilight. _________________ abandon thought, and let the dream descend... |
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