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Halfwest
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 Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:25 pm Post subject: Underwear in Middle-Earth |
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Did they wear it?
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sindohte
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Well I am sure that they unfortunately wear underwear  in Middle Earth. However in my fantasy version of Middle Earth, none of the menfolk wear undies 
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Well, I had occasion to look up Regency clothing at one time, and I discovered that underwear as we know it wasn't worn until around the 1830's or so, if I remember correctly. So I would have to say - Hurrah! No panty lines.
Um...I'm all for Gollum keeping his loincloth, though. 
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Roisin
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Hm, well they would need some sort of athletic support type device for the men, and I think the women (if wearing a dress) would have some sort of device to push their boobs up a bit. Other than that, they probably don't wear much.
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sindohte
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Ellbee wrote: |
Um...I'm all for Gollum keeping his loincloth, though.
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Although I knew it wouldn't happen, I sat on the end of my seat with one hand ready to cover my eyes the first time I saw TT b/c I was deathly afraid that Gollum's shabby little loincloth would slip and I would go blind at the sight of his dingle dangle.  Thankfully the loincloth remained firmly in place and my retinas did not spontaneously combust.
Now the thought of Aragorn in a loincloth? Hmmm, the mind boggles at the thought of that 
But seriously, I would think that the breeches or leggings that the men wore would be tight enough that it would negate the need to wear some type of jockstrap. Very likely the pants they wore had lacings in the crotch area which would serve as a type of support system.
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Ellbee
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| Quote: | | I was deathly afraid that Gollum's shabby little loincloth would slip and I would go blind at the sight of his dingle dangle. |
*Snort* That reminds me of a little ditty my husband sings, when he's trying to be particularly annoying, and it goes something like this:
Don't let your dingle-dangle
Dangle in the dirt
Pick up your dingle-dangle
Tuck it in your shirt
Ta da! For your amusement and edification. 
And now that I look at it, it actually sounds kinda Hobbitt-y. 
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| sindohte wrote: | | Ellbee wrote: |
Um...I'm all for Gollum keeping his loincloth, though.
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Although I knew it wouldn't happen, I sat on the end of my seat with one hand ready to cover my eyes the first time I saw TT b/c I was deathly afraid that Gollum's shabby little loincloth would slip and I would go blind at the sight of his dingle dangle. Thankfully the loincloth remained firmly in place and my retinas did not spontaneously combust.
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dolarabee
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| sindohte wrote: | | I would think that the breeches or leggings that the men wore... |
Is it just me who has a problem with the word leggings?
I mentioned to someone else the other day - who gets the same mental images I do - that every time I read that word in a fic, I can't help myself but seeing the man prance around in leotards or some high-content lycra 'Let's Get Physical' get-up. And of course, this happens at the most inopportune moment - a smut scene. She pulled his leggings down, freeing his erection. Right. That just killed it for me - whether the woody is Legolas', Aragorn's, Eomer's or Boromir's.
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sindohte
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| dolarabee wrote: | | [Is it just me who has a problem with the word leggings? |
Yeoch, now that you mention the word leggings in connection with that now tres corny 80s music video, I now have the lovely image in my head of the various male inhabitants of Middle Earth trapped in an Olivia Newton-John video as they prance around in their leggings. I don't know whether that is a good or a bad thing because I'm struggling through writing a love scene right now with Lego and the only thing I can think of is "Let's Get Physical." Hmm, maybe that is not a bad thing after all. 
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JennnLee
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I have to come down on the side of no underwear, at least not how we know it. From the costuming classes I took in college, women in medieval times (which seems to be the period, at least for clothing, that Middle-Earth is based upon) pretty much did the chemise/underdress/overdress thing. And I think the lacing on the breeches was about it as far as the men went.
And of course, that goes along with one of my favorite fanfic giggles....when Legolas removes a Mary Sue's bra and panties. Um, okay. 
(Oh, and Ell? Thanksgiving might be a bad idea. Getting our husbands together could be wrong on so many levels. I know yours would teach mine that song....  ) |
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Where is Robbie when we need him most!!
I thought the idea behind boxers was a lack of support and the consequential freedom. All I know for sure is that my husband invariably strips down to as little as possible as soon as possible upon entering the house and I love him for it.
I think the goal is to have something between you and perhaps scratchy outer clothing, but that freedom and airflow are all to the good.
So I think minimal underwear for the Middle Earth Man of Style.
Now there's a plot bunny -- Queer Eye for the Straight Guy does Middle Earth (but only in the fashion sense!)! Well, they wouldn't have much to do in Bilbo's home, but Boromir, much as I love him, might benefit from a little straightening up. Who else? tee hee!
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dolarabee
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| NancyBrooke wrote: | | Where is "He who thinks Boromir has a Big Nose" when we need him most!! |
I actually asked him... being a bloke, aren't you going to comment? To impart your wisdom? And his response was: trust me, they wore underwear. A little cryptic, doncha think?
That said, hubby doesn't like boxers under clothing. Too much freedom, too much movement (or something) and apparently the fabric [of the boxers] shifts around too much within the confines of his jeans.
Too much info? Most likely. But someone asked. 
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Tripsoverhercats
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For the female side of the equation, while breast binding is simple enough to imagine, what about life before tampons? Authors of both published and fan-fic tend to veer well away from this messy little problem. In fact, aside from Jean Auel's Pre-histroy novels (where she obessively details everything) I can't recall ever reading about a heroine dealing with this as she traipsed for months around the wilds.
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Robbie
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| dolarabee wrote: | | NancyBrooke wrote: | | Where is "He who thinks Boromir has a Big Nose" when we need him most!! |
I actually asked him... being a bloke, aren't you going to comment? To impart your wisdom? And his response was: trust me, they wore underwear. A little cryptic, doncha think?
That said, hubby doesn't like boxers under clothing. Too much freedom, too much movement (or something) and apparently the fabric [of the boxers] shifts around too much within the confines of his jeans.
Too much info? Most likely. But someone asked.
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No undies = bloody cold knackers. You try sitting atop a cold mountain without getting three Adams apples. Similarly, there's nothing like the fear of getting the hair singed as you're just about the chuck the ring into the fires of Mount Doom. (Now, that would make a good alternative ending to the filmmmm). And yeah, ichy clothes = itchy ball-packet. It's bad enough down there when it's sweaty, you don't need horsehair clothing to add to the entertainment.
As for boxers, whilst the family jewels might swing low, don't forget they can only swing left or swing right; no half-way house here, and it's hard to shift from one to the other when it gets annoying. Add in a sawing action of the seam and it makes a good, loose pair of briefs feel like heaven.
You asked....
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And as for tampons, don't go there. You could bring in lots more. I'm sure "Big Nose" Boromir shat himself when he got hit by the arrows, Theodin was "saved" by Gandalf and said "Cor blimey Guv, glad you did that. I've been dying for a pee," and dashes off stage left, or they can't find Frodo as he's got his ass stuck in the bog and Sam is trying to get him out using a bar of soap and a crow-bar. There's a reason they don't mention that in the books.
So, next time you see that close up shot of BNB at the Council of Elrond, just imagine it was taken with him sitting on the bog trying to squeeze out one stiff log.
Now who the hell started such a silly thread?
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Coreinha1980
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Dear God Rob, you need some serious help.
As for the Boromir shitting himself thing, it's more than likely, because when you die, your muscles relax, and you void your bowels and bladder. There's a comforting thought.
The underwear issue for women: They had shifts, with special cuppy thingies sewn in for the boobies, as for panties, in the middle ages, it was taboo for women to wear anything resembling pants, so unless she was ragging, Arwen probably went 'comando'
If she WAS ragging, it was most likely a device of absorbant leather and a belt that caught the mess.
The underwear issue for men: It was probably pretty chilly in Middle Earth, especially at night, so I imagine they would have some soft fabric undies of some sort. Perhaps silk...oooh!
You girls know how protective guys can be of their equipment So they probably had some sort of protective cup to wear in battle too, after all, don't want to damage THAT area.
Just my slightly strange thoughts.
XOXO
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