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Amlee
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 Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:55 am Post subject: I have a few questions about dates of births and ages |
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Not sure if this is the right place for this, but it I thought I would start here and if it's not then a admin could move it to the right place.
I have read several fan fictions with a wide range of ages for Arwen and the Twins. Some have them only a few 100 years older and some have them 1000s plus years apart.
I am thinking that Tolkien did state the dates of birth for them, but I don't have any of my books in front of me.
Also I have read in fan fic's where Arwen and the Twins were young when their mother was captured and then I have read where they were older. Any date or age known on this?
Last but not least. In the movie when Gandalf rides out to find Eomer he says something alone the lines of "300 years I have lived among men." Just how long has Gandalf been around? |
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SpaceWeavil
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The twins were born in 109, T.A. Arwen was born in 240 T.A., so they’re 131 years older. Celebrian didn’t head over the sea until 2510 AT, so they wouldn’t have been small at the time she left.
Hope this helps
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SpaceWeavil
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| SpaceWeavil wrote: | The twins were born in 109, T.A. Arwen was born in 240 T.A., so they’re 131 years older. Celebrian didn’t head over the sea until 2510 AT, so they wouldn’t have been small at the time she left.
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Apologies. That should be 2510 TA
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Vilwarin
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| SpaceWeavil wrote: | The twins were born in 109, T.A.
Hope this helps |
You mistook something. 109 TA was the year Elrond and Celebrían married. The twins were born in 130, so they are 111 years older than Arwen.
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SpaceWeavil
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Vilwarin wrote: | | SpaceWeavil wrote: | The twins were born in 109, T.A.
Hope this helps |
You mistook something. 109 TA was the year Elrond and Celebrían married. The twins were born in 130, so they are 111 years older than Arwen. |
Of course, you’re right. I either misread that or mistyped it. I am so sorry. I have done nothing but make stupid mistakes all day. I’m actually starting to think I should write something simpler, like Tellytubbies fan fiction, since I’m making one mess of LOTR stuff. 
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Amlee
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks, but now that leads me to another question. Would that have made the twins adults when Arwen was born? |
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SpaceWeavil
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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According to LACE, and I will try not to make a twit of myself again here..
| Quote: | | Not until the fiftieth year did the Eldar attain the stature and shape in which their lives would afterwards endure, and for some a hundred years would pass before they were full-grown. |
That’s talking more about their physical form than anything else, but I’ve taken it to mean they wouldn’t be considered adults until perhaps their 50th year, if not later.
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Amlee
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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That is what I thought. Somewhere between 50 and 100 years would an elf be considered an adult. I just wasn't sure.
Thank you. Yall have cleared up at least a few of my questions. |
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Vilwarin
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| SpaceWeavil wrote: | | I’m actually starting to think I should write something simpler, like Tellytubbies fan fiction, since I’m making one mess of LOTR stuff. |
 Oh no, it is not that bad. And by the way, Tellytubbies really make you silly. *shudders*
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