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LegolasLover
Joined: 09 Aug 2003 Posts: 36 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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I think it is a good idea and am willing to help in (almost) any way I can. All you have to do is ask. _________________ "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."
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dolarabee Site Admin

Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Posts: 175 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Why not do it all digitally to give a chance to all the interested members, and once edited and put together, you can just print it out and bind it ever which way you want? And for those who'd rather use it on computer, well, they have that option too.
Just a thought,
do. _________________ Je sais de la vie qu'elle se termine souvent au lit,
Et que d'autres ont bien plus de chance trépassent de rire ou de jouissance,
Mais pire que la mort qui vient c'est l'amour qui ne vient jamais.
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Leila
Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 0 Location: the Pegasus Galaxy
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Do you mean give the choice to have a printed copy mailed to them or a copy sent/available to them on the computer? Is that what you mean?
How about anyone who wants to help with this say so on this post and I'll make a list? Think that will work?
Anyone got any ideas? _________________ A Drabble A Day Keeps The Bunnies At Bay |
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rorrah
Joined: 07 Sep 2003 Posts: 1 Location: Bay Area, California
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Leila wrote: | What I'm talking about is a handbook that can members can use that they can take wherever they go to write. Without needing a laptop with them.
Binding? We could hole punch it and use 3 ring binders or staple it with a heavy duty stapler or something like that. Shouldn't cost too much to do it one of those ways or one like them.
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It would quite likely be easier, to put together the handbook as an online document that is in printable format. Then you could just download the file, bring it to your local printing shop (kinkos for example here in the US) and give them the file to print and bind if you really wanted a hard copy. Or you could just print it yourself and save even more money. That way there is no investment required by the group other then the time it takes to put together the document. That way you also save on hard feelings when the money that gets invested is not recovered.
Oh and hello everyone! _________________ "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. What? Look, somebody's gotta have some damned perspective around here. Boom. Sooner or later. BOOM!"
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Leila
Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 0 Location: the Pegasus Galaxy
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| rorrah wrote: | It would quite likely be easier, to put together the handbook as an online document that is in printable format. Then you could just download the file, bring it to your local printing shop (kinkos for example here in the US) and give them the file to print and bind if you really wanted a hard copy. Or you could just print it yourself and save even more money. That way there is no investment required by the group other then the time it takes to put together the document. That way you also save on hard feelings when the money that gets invested is not recovered.
Oh and hello everyone! |
True.......Well, all I'm really trying to do at this point is figure out who wants to help do this. Anyone interested in it? Any suggestions how we should go about doing this? _________________ A Drabble A Day Keeps The Bunnies At Bay |
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Viv Challenge Admin

Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 71 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Leila wrote: | | Well, all I'm really trying to do at this point is figure out who wants to help do this. Anyone interested in it? Any suggestions how we should go about doing this? |
Well, we already are sort of doing this. Scribe suggested a challenge on this exact topic (see Challenge section) and I believe she intends to collect all the pieces submitted to that challenge and create a larger document.
Naturally, that document will be available for download/printing/etc.
You may want to contact Scribe directly and see if you can merge your project with hers. It would be redundant for two groups to do this at once, without working together.
[and welcome rorrah!] |
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Viv Challenge Admin

Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 71 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Also recommended for anyone writing stories about elves: Morgoth's Ring, edited by Chris Tolkien. This is one of the HoME (History of Middle-earth) series of books. It includes a very handy section on Laws and Customs of elves. And it has the Debate of Finrod and Andreth, a long discussion of elf-human differences and relationships. |
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Leila
Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 0 Location: the Pegasus Galaxy
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Viv wrote: | | Also recommended for anyone writing stories about elves: Morgoth's Ring, edited by Chris Tolkien. This is one of the HoME (History of Middle-earth) series of books. It includes a very handy section on Laws and Customs of elves. And it has the Debate of Finrod and Andreth, a long discussion of elf-human differences and relationships. |
I've looked in every bookstore I've been to lately and can't find it! I guess I've just got to keep looking. _________________ A Drabble A Day Keeps The Bunnies At Bay |
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Leila
Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 0 Location: the Pegasus Galaxy
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Viv"]You may want to contact Scribe directly and see if you can merge your project with hers. It would be redundant for two groups to do this at once, without working together.[quote]
True. I might do it later. _________________ A Drabble A Day Keeps The Bunnies At Bay |
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Una

Joined: 07 Sep 2003 Posts: 21 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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I think the easiest way of distribution apart from binding (which is a lot of money to cough up) is to prepare such a guideline in Word format and/or PDF and then put it online for anyone to download and print out. This way there is only toner/ink and paper costs to consider for each member as well as for a folder.
Just my two Euro cents
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Scribe

Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Posts: 4 Location: Betelgeuse
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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What I was intending with the creation of the Library was exactly that, a repository of information for fan fiction writers. As a writer who’s dabbled in a few fandoms, it is not an exaggeration to say that the Tolkienverse is the hardest for a fan fiction writer to tackle simply because of the overwhelming complexity of the source material. While more experienced writers live by the code of research, younger authors, just recently introduced to the books by way of the films, the discipline has not yet set in.
While we’ve learnt to distinguish between the dreaded Mary Sue, what the fandom has yet to be able to discern is the difference between a fangirl writing about her favourite lust object (in this case almost always Legolas) and a very inexperienced first time author who was so moved by the films that the desire to write something, even without research is overwhelming.
We’ve all been there – yes even me who some people consider a pretty damn good author. I won’t go into detail about my stories involving Han Solo and Jabba the Hutt when I was thirteen which I found in a box about a year and a bit ago and read. My first reaction was deep embarrassment; my second was to THANK GOD the Internet wasn’t around back then. Suffice to say those stories were out on the street the next day and I even made sure the garbage man put it in the crusher….no evidence of my MS will ever surface (as if at 13 I would know what to do with Han Solo anyway:D).
Getting back to the point after this terrible detour into the dark side, is that if there was a guide of how to write fan or in general write; I would have appreciated it back then. The Internet for all its freedom of expression does the disservice by allowing an author to post before she is ready for her work to read. The evolution of our skill is displayed for all to see and though this is our own choice, it leaves us open to flaming and criticism. Older, more mature authors can take this for what it is, younger ones do not.
My hopes for the library is to expose new authors to guides of how to write Tolkien fan fiction because of all the critiques on the web, Tolkien fans are the most unforgiving. It is impossible for Melia to be taken simply as an OFC in general now matter how good I write her and I don’t blame the fandom for largely thinking this, not after seeing ff.net and what’s been inundating the fandom since the arrival of the oh so delicious Mr Bloom. A Tolkien fan who truly enjoys the character of Legolas would be driven to distraction with all the drivel that is out there.
The challenge is one of the things I’m going to incorporate into the Library. I also surf the net for good essays and articles that might help. That’s one of the reasons why I would like those of you who come across such things to let me know. The larger the library is, the more useful it will be. The Reality Bytes section is a place to new essays but eventually, they too will find their way into the library.
Leila’s idea of creating an online repository is a good idea and I hope she will contribute to it. This will be an ongoing process and I hope to have participation of more people in its upkeep. It is my hope that eventually the Library will a useful resource not only of OSA’s members but anyone who wants to write good fan fic. |
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Una

Joined: 07 Sep 2003 Posts: 21 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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I could contribute on the techniques of writing and of beta reading (both from writers and beta readers POV). I have done it for S:AAB and Orlific fanfiction writers, so it would be easy to edit it to fit the LOTR fandom.
Una |
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Viv Challenge Admin

Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 71 Location: Texas
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Leila wrote: | I've looked in every bookstore I've been to lately and can't find it! I guess I've just got to keep looking. |
It's available through amazon.com, and if you order through the Open Scrolls store, the fine folks who run this site get a penny or two.  |
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Leila
Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 0 Location: the Pegasus Galaxy
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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I may contribute something to it.....maybe. But right now I need to hurry up and write my submission for the challenge, since the due date is coming up VERY soon.
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I'm just 17 but I've long since thrown anything at all I've written before the age of 14. And now I'm about to start tossing out most of what I've written between then, when I moved the summer before going into high school, since I've joined this site. I've just finally realized recently just how bad they really are. Most of them are Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings fanfics. The only one I remember and like is the one I wrote for this site. And I feel that the only reason it turned out as well as it did is because of the guidelines. My sis isn' t too fond of them (you know it's true), but I feel they help. Just thought I'd mention that. Um....yeah... _________________ A Drabble A Day Keeps The Bunnies At Bay |
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Viv Challenge Admin

Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 71 Location: Texas
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Well, we're all developing writers... there isn't a fic on this site that's fit for professional publication (tho some are really really close). I'm glad you're here, growing with all the rest of us, becoming better writers.
And remaining squealy fans.  |
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