[BittenBuggy]

[inglor]

Sorry BB, I know you have a thing for the 3rd and 4th Kings of the Noldor but I call a spade a spade, and you can't tell me that a rational Elf would take on Morgoth all by himself?

oops... Luthien did and beat him (in a way) but she's a girl and not rational anyway... (Yes, yes I do have a death wish)

hmmm maybe Fingolfin just went about things the wrong way... should have sung to him and shanked him when Morgoth swooned

Not meaning to hijack this thread and maybe we can get into this when we get to discussing the Bragolach

Inglor
*puts on plastic tarp armor and hunkers down for the ensuing tomato barrage from catapults, ballistas and trebuchets*

[BittenBuggy]

[inglor]

No, Finarfin would have debated with him until he slit his own throat...

Besides, Finrod tried that with Sauron and woops... Dog Chow

We'll save this debate for later



Now what was the topic... oh, yeah, Feanor was a jackass

Inglor

[BittenBuggy]

Jackass yes, but at least he had some semblance of personality.

So who's doing the next chapter?

[Andreth]

Don't forget that Luthien had an advantage in that she was half Maia herself. And if the Noldorin wussies had listened to Fingolfin in the first place, they wouldn't have been wiped out and he wouldn't have gone after Morgoth. Oooo, I see the future chapters turning into some interesting discussions.

But yes, I agree, Feanor was a dumbass. And I'm now wondering how crazy exactly he was. I thought fell and/or fey meant crazy but when I looked the words up fey means either fated or doomed, or slightly insane, and fell means cruel; barbarous; inhuman; fierce; savage; ravenous.

Now that I think on it, crazy tecnically means that they're incapable of discerning right from wrong. I think he knew what he was doing was wrong, he just didn't care. I don't know - Feanor's just one of those characters I don't think I'll ever understand.

Anna

[Andreth]

Sara, did you volunteer to do the next chapter? The next one's Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor.

[BittenBuggy]

Yeah, I think Sara has next go.


Anna! Go check your PMs and answer my fookin question It is crutial!

[Saralitazie]

Yes....I did....so when do ya want it?

(Feanor was a dumbass!)

Oh, hi BB!

[Andreth]

Good girl. *pats Sara affectionately on the head*

As for doing the next chapter, I think we should wait until after Sindohte gets moved this weekend. Her hectic life might settle down a little after that. Maybe she'll have time to get online tonight and tell us when's good for her.

[Saralitazie]

*feels like a dog * Okie dokie..will do!

[sindohte]

Good lord folks, you are an eager lot The customary waiting period is a week before we move on to the next chapter. So that would mean Saralitazie would do whatever comes next on Monday. And yes, I am moving this weekend, so you people better behave. There is likely no way in heck that I will have a chance to respond to all of your wonderous posts and get up to speed with the next chapter until probably Sunday.

[BittenBuggy]

You're all trying to provoke me That is so not nice

[sindohte]

Hey folks, I am doing a happy dance because I have Internet access for a few minutes at my parents house before I officially drive to my new place and starting move in In the interim, let me offer a sleep deprived thought or two to you that I came up with while driving for 2 1/2 hours with 2 cats that cried in concert

The Noldo and their love for technology and knowledge got me to thinking about the Industrial Revolution and the impact it had upon the English people and the rest of the world. Previously the main source of income was farming, which was a very naturalistic sort of enterprise when you think about it. Lots of hard physical labor and use of animals. Then the Industrial Revolution hits and people begin using machines to do the work of humans and animals, thus "refining" coarser attempts at labor.

The same parallel could be drawn with Feanor and the Noldo Elves as a group. It was not enough for Feanor to be a skilled gemsmith, he had to be the ultimate gemsmith and capture the light of the two Trees in his gems. And correct me if I am wrong, but weren't the Silmarils actually "made" from scratch by Feanor vs. him picking up a gem and then cutting it? Because if he actually created the Silmarils ex nihilio, that was truly an awesome feat of craftmanship.

Then to jump around a bit more to that discussion Andreth started on another thread about whether gold = evil and silver = good. Think about Sauron and the Ring. The gold that created the Ring in its pure form was neutral in terms of its capacity for good or evil. However when it was refined and crafted into an actual golden object and imbued with Sauron's essence (I just love that phrase), it was then transmogrified into an object of power.

It was the same process for the Silmarils. Raw material was transformed into an object and imbued with the light and power of the two Trees. Is it any wonder that Melkor would be so eager to get his hands upon it?

I don't think the Noldo are bad folks at all. They are actually wonderous, noble creatures. At the same time, their technological superiority creates the opportunity for evil forces to take a creation they had originally intended for good and use it for evil. That leads me to think about that atomic bomb. It was seen as a force of good by some beause it promoted peace proactively. Yet, when the bombs were dropped on Japan, the destructive power of the atom was seen as well.

Okay, time for me to get the hell off this computer and stop rambling whatever comes out of my brain. Hope that I made sense. And two things -

1. BB -

2. Anna/Andreth - While your Elrond avatar was most attractive, Vin Diesel would have kicked some serious Balrog butt if he went to ME

[BittenBuggy]

Sind, you have just been promoted to 'people-on-my-most-favoritest-Christmas-list'

Anna - VD is so... bulky.