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DreadLadyFreya
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| Gwenevere wrote: |
Since this is a cat luvers' thread, I would like to ask ya'll what your thoughts are on de-clawing... |
Personally, I think it's cruel.
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Moralanqua
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Declawing seems dead handy to me. I wish Afrocat had come to me minus hers! My wallpaper would prefer it too! But then she is a housecat and not an outdoor cat. Outdoor cats need claws.
So i suppose that if a cat is declawed before i get it - im fine but i will NEVER take a cat of mine to the vet for this procedure. I couldnt put them thru the pain simply for my wallpapers sake! I know! Im a big ole hypocrite! 
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BittenBuggy
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:51 am Post subject: |
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Ok, I'm ignorant about everything cat -
Declawing hurts? 
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Moralanqua
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Well, i could come and rip your fingernails off and you could then tell us if it hurt! 
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Viv
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| Gwenevere wrote: | | Since this is a cat luvers' thread, I would like to ask ya'll what your thoughts are on de-clawing... |
Traditional declawing is painful and frequently results in very icky infections. Poor kitties. If you just can't stand to have claws around, there's an alternate procedure where they snip the tendon that allows the kitty to extend her claws. This procedure is a lot less invasive and hurts the kitty a lot less. In the end, the kitty still has her claws, but she can't extend them and scatch on things (like, um, me). |
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Aewithen
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Location: Somewhere between reality and fantasy
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| Viv wrote: | | Traditional declawing is painful and frequently results in very icky infections. Poor kitties. If you just can't stand to have claws around, there's an alternate procedure where they snip the tendon that allows the kitty to extend her claws. This procedure is a lot less invasive and hurts the kitty a lot less. In the end, the kitty still has her claws, but she can't extend them and scatch on things (like, um, me). |
Speaking from a vet-in-training, I agree with Viv. Nowadays, with new techniques and such, it is not so bad to have a cat declawed. They are put under anesthesia, the claws are removed and usually will stay over night to monitor pain and keep them from infection. I recommend only getting the front claws declawed for indoor cats, but definitely do not get your cats declawed if they are outdoor animals. They need protection.
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MoonRaven
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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I think black cats, especially females  , are darling! I have two cats: one black and one white, both females. They're no special breed, just your run-of-the-mill strays. We rescued the black one, Lucy, from a gas station, and Ricky, the white one, came from a shelter. They're both very sweet to us humans but horribly mean to each other. |
I have three of each--black and white--so maybe you can confirm or deny my impressions. My black cats have been busy, intelligent (esp. the females) and affectionate. My white ones on the other hand--well, Picky is fairly down-to-earth if touchy sometimes about being handled, but Frannie and BeBe are mental cases. True, Frannie is deaf as a post. Having had the opportunity to have both a a blind cat and a deaf one in our household, I have come to believe that in many ways, deafness can be more of a handicap to a cat than blindness (uh--we're talking indoor-only housecats, here.) Poor Frannie bumbles through the household without a clue of her many feline faux paus, feeling totally isolated in her own little world unless we catch her eye or pet her. She's never quite sure why none of the other cats like her, poor thing (though I'm not sure she would know how to respond to friendship if another cat offered it to her.) So she retaliates by stalking the ones she can intimidate and getting into dust-ups with Dinky or Bunny. A disruptive little cat, even though I realize it isn't her fault she's warped.
And BeBe--big, bad and beautiful and a total sociopath. He bites inappropriately and can't abide most other cats. I hope love can cure him because we've already tried most psychotropic drugs known to medical science.
So perhaps the superstitious would be better advised to beware of white cats?
| Gwenevere wrote: |
Since this is a cat luvers' thread, I would like to ask ya'll what your thoughts are on de-clawing... |
That can be a very hot-button issue in the cat community. I try to keep an open mind but aside from very special circumstances, I can see not medical justification for declawing. There are so many options for owners other than this radical and painful surgery, that I advise friends who absolutely can't have a cat unless it is declawed to 1) reconsider if they really want a cat or 2) go to their local animal rescue group and get a cat who has already been declawed.
I lost the last 3/4-inch off the end of my thumb some years ago. It has healed wonderfully and doesn't give me too many problems but it is much more sensitive to heat and cold as well as more tender to use, than my other fingers. I can't imagine what it would be like trying to walk or dig with an injury like this on every finger/toe.
So all our cats are fully-equipped and I occasionally get scratched when I misjudge things, but then, the little darlings get bumped by us enough and some have had paws or tails trod upon so... I try to keep up with trimming nails--would be easier if I only have ten or so cats--especially when doing things that might upset the cat in questions (baths/medication). We have cat posts and cat trees and those cardboard scratchers (which my cats love) and most of our furniture isn't claw-appealing anyway, so we manage quite well.
This site can give you some food-for-thought if this is something you are considering:
Lisaviolet's Declaw Index
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Moralanqua
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Did you know its mostly illegal in Scotland to declaw your precious? 9 out of 10 Vets refuse to do it! 
Here is my Afrocats story!
I got her almost 3 years ago. I went to a rescue centre and found her in a recovery den. She was a mess. She had just had surgery 2 days before and was still covered in gore and bandages. She seemed groggy and her wee eyes were all wonky. She had come from an abusive cattery and was found mangled and matted. They had kicked her so hard, she had broken her back legs and the ribs all down her left side. She was a cowering, petrified wee soul.
Anyway, that day - i was just in for a look. I was chatting away to Afrocat (who was lying on a shelf) and i had put my large leather bag on the ground. I was talking to her while i looked at another cat (who was hissing at me! rude bugger!). I turned around to say goodbye, intending to check out the male catses and i noticed Afro was gone from her shelf! I was giving it 'WTF?' - she had looked too ill to be able to move!
So i turn to pick my back up and i see a funky, furry black arse and tail sticking outta it. There was a crunching sounds and Afro was munching on my leftover Peperami (Salami stick). She wouldnt get her butt out of my bag! I was getting embarrased, worried they'd think i was upsetting her or something.
So i ask the lady when Afro was ok to be adopted and she told me that I could take her as long as i signed an agreement to pay for all the after care and followups (i ha to get a card signed proving i had been to her followup). I paid and left with an Afro. I never got that Peperami back.
Afro was timid the first night but after that, she was at home. She began sleeping at the foot of my bed by day 3! She was a perfect angel when i took her to the vets and as long as i didnt laugh at her baldy patches, she was sweet.
She is a cheeky but loving wee soul and has gotten me through much crap. She is MY PRECIOUS and I wouldnt part with her for anything. Shes upstairs right now, we can hear her running around. Sounds like she had stilletos heels on! Noisy wee catses!
Oh - and her name is Obsidian Kali Ma. I call her Afro cause her fur grew back in and shes like a walking Afro. Very poofy big body with a tiny head and spectacular green eyes.
 CATS RULE!
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Leilana
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Awwwww....Even I like Afrocat after that story. People can be so cruel to their animals...well, people can be really cruel in general I suppose.  |
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Anna
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| I would´ve like to meet Afrocat, if I hadn´t been so damn allergic! |
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estellabrandybuck
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Afrocat sounds really sweet!  My own cat is sleeping on the back of the chair I'm sitting on now...he's so cute. |
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Vulgarweed
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Aww...Afrokittie. What a great story--well, the happy ending anyway.
People who abuse animals.... 
They should all get exactly what they give.
I shack up with two kitties - my own grumpy old man, Marlowe (who is 12 and has outlasted many jobs, many apartments, and a couple Serious Boyfriends--and even as a kitten he was a grumpy old man). He's a beige tabby, adopted long ago from a disabled lady who had more cats than she could care for. Then Marlowe and I moved in with Greg (my guy--human, thank you!) and...Digory. The 20-lb., 7-year-old, grey-and-white troublemaker. Lots of grey hairs and vet bills he's given us, but the love is all worth it baby!
Marlowe and Digory have an uneasy truce. Sometimes they're all cute and snuggly. And when you least it expect it, they're rolling down the hallway in a hissing, growling ball of flying fur. Then 10 minutes later they're hanging out on the couch like nothing ever happened. They do it to mess with us.
I grew up around dogs, and usually big ones, but we live in a city apartment and have weird irregular schedules and aren't home all that much. Cats can deal. Dogs are like toddlers (which I also think are cool to play with but don't want to _have_).
My parents have a Bull Mastiff. Great big shambling loving drooly hound who thinks she's a lapdog although she outweighs me by 20 lbs and is taller than me on her hind legs. They have a lot of yard and woods for her to run around in,so it's cool. |
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Yavanie
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I'm a dog lover personally but got this great link from a friend;
to "pet" the kitty, roll your mouse over it and hear it purr.
http://home.wanadoo.nl/annekebroenink/maukie2.swf
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Texasgirl
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Afro sound so...so...*squeals* CUTE! It was nice of you to do that...personally, i go more for horses and dogs. we have an seventeen year old a.m./c.r. mix we found wandering around.. he was foundering, starved, and covered in sores. he was obviously one of those that were deemed well enough for the open range...but those suckers didn't know a DAMN thing! AHHHHH!
alright, i shouldn't have started that. i get a leetle bit worked up over my horsies.
but back to cats and dogs....
i have a doggie named Prince, he is 5 in human years and has been with me for, well, five years. he's a golden and much cuter than any other dog in the world! hehehe! and if you don't like it - well, go meet gunner:
i've never really been a cat person, though i have kitty-sat some before. ah well, each man (or woman) to his (her) own!
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mistressofbucklebury
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I'm definitely a cat person. I wouldn't be without my darling little boy Roo. He was a born purrr machine and he wouldn't know how to scratch anyone even if he wanted to... he's just too damn soft (not that I'm complaining! ) Even if he's really peeved with me the claws never come out... although he's got a mean right hook which he uses to good effect if I ever put him near a bath.
I liked the story about AfroCat choosing Mora as her pet... Roo definitely chose me. As soon as I walked in the door he was trying to jump up my legs and into my arms, and once I did pick him up he grabbed hold of my jumper and my necklace so I couldn't put him down... and apparently the breeder thought he was shy before
Anyway gonna top babbling now... I could talk about the little sweetheart for hours |
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