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MaglorRedeemed
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| Aerin wrote: | Ahem
"the queen of every thing will now answer your question in a most thourough way"
She is our foremost Silm Professor love the BB! |
Yay, a non-obnoxious one! ^_^ (Seriously, every other self-professed Sil geek that I know just grates on my nerves like nothing else. Especially the ones who swoon for MOVIE DENETHOR* because they're so very individual and creative and would *never* swoon for Legolas or Aragorn! OMG, those two so mainstream and overdone! Why not fall for an ugly toad with insufficiently explained motives who refuses to send for help?  )
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BittenBuggy
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Aerin wrote: | Ahem
"the queen of every thing will now answer your question in a most thourough way"
She is our foremost Silm Professor love the BB! |
Aerin, you're such a doll. 
I know everything about the Silm! And I love movie Denethor!
Excuse me one moment... 
Ok, all better now. *Blows kisses to the crowd*
Don't let the sweet ones fool you, I'm just the one humping the Feanorian's legs and running from the Admin wearing a big orange jumpsuit. 
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BittenBuggy
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, and for my thourogh explination:
Finarfin is the biggest poncey weenie in fictional existance.
There, that should clear it all up for you, hmm? 
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MaglorRedeemed
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| BittenBuggy wrote: |
I know everything about the Silm! And I love movie Denethor!
Excuse me one moment...
Ok, all better now. *Blows kisses to the crowd* |
Heh... I just realized how little sense that post would have made to someone who didn't know the chick I was talking about. (Really, though, you're a very cool person and I don't even mind your deridation of Finarfin. He was sort of a weenie, just a smart weenie, and temperate unlike his brothers.) It's just nice to know a Sil-geek who doesn't seem to get all squeally over Fëanor and Maeglin just to look original.
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BittenBuggy
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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On a more serious note, I do love the Feanorians and hate Finarfin. But I will admit to being a squealy fangirl over Mr. Bloom - and don't even get me started on Viggo. (I am president of the Bow-Down-and-Worship-Viggo's-Voice-Fetish Club. Membership is still open )
And if you want somebody who knows the Silm and probably more than Chris Tolkien himself, you need look no further than Andreth. *points* Just look her up, read her fic, PM her with every question imaginable and she'll be able to answer you. I get depressed every time I look at it because I am so lacking. 
Oh, and she's a bloody babe too! 
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MaglorRedeemed
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| BittenBuggy wrote: | On a more serious note, I do love the Feanorians and hate Finarfin. But I will admit to being a squealy fangirl over Mr. Bloom - and don't even get me started on Viggo. (I am president of the Bow-Down-and-Worship-Viggo's-Voice-Fetish Club. Membership is still open )
And if you want somebody who knows the Silm and probably more than Chris Tolkien himself, you need look no further than Andreth. *points* Just look her up, read her fic, PM her with every question imaginable and she'll be able to answer you. I get depressed every time I look at it because I am so lacking.
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See, that's my problem. I just *can't* read the HoME books 'cause it reveals the thought process behind the books and I just can't deal with that--they just have to be REAL for me, if you take my meaning. Therefore, I don't know half as much as I could about thte Sil and related topics so I get all bitter and annoyed when people know more about Arda at large than me. *sulks*
I will check out Andreth, though...
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sindohte
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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Hi there Maggie and welcome to the zoo. I see that you have already met some of the residents. If the Silm is your thing, you should definitely check out the Silm reading group that is going on. Right now we are reading the chapter- "Of Men." You will get to see Andreth and the other Silm whores in action. And BBho should share her thoughts on that particular chapter given that she is a ho. Just to let you know Maggie, I was a sweet innocent Silm virgin only a short while ago. Now I am actually reading HoME as light bedtime reading  See what hanging around Andreth/Anna can do to you?
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Anna
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 3:14 am Post subject: |
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Hey, who are you calling a Silm whore!? Besides, you can´t blame everything on Andreth-Anna, you are equally responsible for my Silm 'whoriness'(???), Sind!
But, do join the reading group, Maggie! You would be very welcome!  |
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sindohte
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:17 am Post subject: |
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Wow Anna, you created a new word  Perhaps you are our own little Feanaro. Now don't you see why you just have to join us Maggie? You get to read the Silm and make up new words as well. And yes, we cannot blame everything on Andreth/Anna. I helped to make you into a Silm ho as well. However, she is solely responsible for my Annatar/Sauron obsession And what a grand obsession it is indeed.
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Andreth
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| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| MaglorRedeemed wrote: | See, that's my problem. I just *can't* read the HoME books 'cause it reveals the thought process behind the books and I just can't deal with that--they just have to be REAL for me, if you take my meaning. Therefore, I don't know half as much as I could about thte Sil and related topics so I get all bitter and annoyed when people know more about Arda at large than me. *sulks*
I will check out Andreth, though... |
Look at my ass first. It's definitely my best feature.
Don't worry, Maggie. We have some Silm experts around here and none of them are elitist piranhas. I've come across those myself in different forums and find them highly unenjoyable. There's a tendency to treat those without Silm knowledge as The Great Unwashed, but that's thankfully absent here at OSA.
I must be odd among Silm readers then, because I think Finarfin was very admirable and the only one in the whole group who showed any sense, that Feanor and his sons needed a good ass whipping, and I absolutely despised the movie version of Denethor. Oh, don't even get me started on that one. Although I have to admit, I do find Maeglin intriguing.
I've been hooked on the HoMe books since I got Unfinished Tales and Book of Lost Tales in the early 80s. There's not only behind the scenes information, but tons of information that didn't make it into the Silm. And I love the fairy-tale like qualities of the stories in the Books of Lost Tales. I do like seeing the unfinished forms of what the Professor himself wrote about the Silmarillion, because for me the Silm is little more than an edited version of HoMe. Christopher Tolkien did the best he could with such a massive project and not having all the information, but even he says he made mistakes by over-editing in places. If anything the HoMe books increase the enjoyment for me rather than lessen it. But that's just me. I have an unhealthy enjoyment for researching. 
Anyway, Welcome! And glad to see you here. Hope you have fun and hope to see you around the Silm section and the Silm discussions. It's always good to have new faces and new thoughts thrown into the mix.
Anna
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Andreth
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| sindohte wrote: | | However, she is solely responsible for my Annatar/Sauron obsession And what a grand obsession it is indeed. |
Oh, I do like the sound of that. But keep your voice down. My Annatar muse is almost too egotistical to live with as is. Yours will be just as bad, soon. Very soon. |
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MaglorRedeemed
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| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreth wrote: | | Don't worry, Maggie. We have some Silm experts around here and none of them are elitist piranhas. I've come across those myself in different forums and find them highly unenjoyable. There's a tendency to treat those without Silm knowledge as The Great Unwashed, but that's thankfully absent here at OSA. |
That Eru for that. *sigh of relief*
| Quote: | | I must be odd among Silm readers then, because I think Finarfin was very admirable and the only one in the whole group who showed any sense, that Feanor and his sons needed a good ass whipping, and I absolutely despised the movie version of Denethor. Oh, don't even get me started on that one. Although I have to admit, I do find Maeglin intriguing. |
It's definately admirable that he went back and admitted he was wrong. I think it was very courageous of him. And yes, Maeglin is such an interesting character. I love reading about him. (I also love Blind Guardian's song Thorn which is about him and his life. Great, great music. )
And I totally agree--Fëanor was one of the great bastards of the 1st Age, even before Morgoth started on him. What some people see in him (besides the looks, of course ) I'll never know.
Also, do you have any recommendations of stuff that I should really read in the HoME books? I've been looking for Morgoth's Ring for a while now so that I could be better informed about LACE, but is there anything else that's particularly interesting/informative in your opinion?
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Andreth
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| MaglorRedeemed wrote: | | Also, do you have any recommendations of stuff that I should really read in the HoME books? I've been looking for Morgoth's Ring for a while now so that I could be better informed about LACE, but is there anything else that's particularly interesting/informative in your opinion? |
Oh gosh, I hardly know where to start. The Book of Lost Tales 1 and 2 are my favorites by far. In Book 1 are the original tales of the early Silm and the descriptions of Valinor and the Valar are far richer than the condensed versions in the later Silm. In Book 2 there is an early version of Luthien and Beren, the Fall of Gondolin, and the Ruin of Doriath, which there is called The Nauglafring. In that section and in Volume XI, The War of the Jewels, we get to see the death Professor Tolkien had originally planned for Thingol. He was meant to die in battle as opposed to dying in the vaults of Doriath.
Unfinished Tales is very handy for information about the Second Age, Numenor, the Istari, the Palantiri and the Nazgul. Unfinished Tales, Volumes X, XI and XII (Morgoth's Ring, The War of the Jewels, and Peoples of Middle-earth, respectively) are the HoMe volumes people seem to get the most use out of just for general information.
I have a copy of LACE that I can send you if you want to read it over. It's also got the Statute of Finwe and Miriel on it, which is dull in places but has some interesting info.
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sindohte
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| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreth wrote: | | sindohte wrote: | | However, she is solely responsible for my Annatar/Sauron obsession And what a grand obsession it is indeed. |
Oh, I do like the sound of that. But keep your voice down. My Annatar muse is almost too egotistical to live with as is. Yours will be just as bad, soon. Very soon. |
Honey, Annatar is talking to me ALL the time. He is just so upset that he doesn't get his proper due and people just keep focusing on all that Sauron business.
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