[sindohte]

Ellie,

I definitely agree that Feanor burned a lot of boats and bridges (sorry, bad pun) when he stranded Fingolfin and his people on the Northern Ice. And after the whole Oath of Feanor debacle and other various, assorted examples of Feanorian insanity, I do agree with you that not many Elves would want to band together with the Fiery One. However, I think they would put aside their differences long enough to get rid of Morgoth. Once that major task was accomplished, I think the Doom of the Noldor would have taken effect at that point and the various lords and princes would have started squabbling. And of course you would have Mr. High and Mighty Feanor who would likely want to declare himself as the High King of the Elves of all kindreds. At that point Thingol would have whipped out a big ole can of whupass and then carved his initials with the can opener into Feanor's hide. Let me tell you folks, Sindar Elves do not mess around.

[Andreth]

I'm afraid this is one of the rare things I have to disagree with you on. I don't think the Noldor would have ever reunited under Feanor, no matter how persuasive he was. I don't think any of the Noldor forced to cross the ice would have trusted Feanor again. Even if he hadn't been killed by the Balrogs, he was too far gone to do anything useful in ME except get people killed. I think Fingolfin and the others would have been able to see that Feanor was crazy as a shithouse rat and that his judgement was impaired.

After all, the main reason Galadriel, Finrod, Fingolfin, Turgon, etc. came to ME was to follow Feanor and try to stop him or impede him from harming others with his insane desire for the Silmarils. They had the selfish motives, too, of wanting to see new lands but their main desire seemed to be putting a stop to Feanor's harming others because of his lust for the Silmarils.

Anna

PS *points at Ellie* I like her. She likes Finarfin. Obviously a person of high intelligence and taste.

[ellie]

Andreth - Thanks for the compliment! I have a very great weakness for Finarfin and hate it when people treat his character as if he were wimpy or cowardly when, in my humble opinion, he was the strongest of them all.

What a delicious place for Silm discussion! Oooo people after my own heart. I could use up lots of free time I don't have chatting here. Can't wait for more.

Ellie

[sindohte]

[ellie]

I don't think anyone knew what the situation in Middle Earth would be until they got there and lived there for a while, so I don't think they would have gone along just to try to set Feanor up. There were too many unknowns in the equation.

In reagrds to wanting to take Feanor out behind the woodshed, I'm sure they would have wanted to do that, however I don't think they would have actually done it because of that little thing guilt thingy in the backs of their minds that whispered "kinslayer".

It would have been a far greater insult and injury to Feanor to simply not follow him. Then he'd be the high king of - nothing.

I guess that makes 6 cents worth from me today. Is there a monetary contribution limit per day? This is getting expensive...