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Maram68
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What I do think for sure is that the girl MUST be mentally unbalanced (in the BAD way).
As writing the comments to the chapters ... how SICK is that?
I just don't get the sense, WHY did she do this? I just don't get it ... 
We have her reported (repeatedly). How longs does it take ff.net to react?
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Ariel
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Well, Scribe, at least you are well enough read to have had someone recognize your story when it was plagerized. Another person took one of my stories and edited it, then passed it off as her own on ff.net. It wasn't word for word, but it was scene for scene and a lot of the text was copied over. It was on ff.net for months until someone yelled at ME for plagerizing her... (luckily, the story I wrote was about a YEAR older than hers - obviously the person reporting me couldn't read dates.)
The plagerizing author didn't think she was doing anything wrong - after all, we were all plagerizing Tolkien, right? 
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Viv
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Seems I heard of a similar bit o nastiness on another list not to long ago. Also on ff.net.
I'm not sure why someone would do such a thing. For reviews? But acclaim for something you didn't do... that has to feel hollow. Maybe that realization will creep up on the Sick Puppy What Filched Melia. |
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Levade
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I have to say this, and you all can flame me for it if you want.
I am ASHAMED at some of what I am reading that has been posted on ff.net to that kid.
Yes, she did wrong. Yes, she stole, and it is wrong, wrong, wrong.
Telling her she's "going to hell"? "Bint"?
Hello? Can we keep it civilized and prove that she's the stupid thief and we're not the morons we look like?
I'm sorry, but flaming her to death is just stupid. Telling her she's wrong and needs to take it down, I'm ALL for that! Report her.
Don't be stupid and call her names. I had hoped we left that behind in grade school.
Gads, the levels we sink to over fanfiction is just ....astonishing.
No, don't bother flaming me. I know she's wrong, and I'd say so too, but without calling her names and acting as juvenile as she has clearly proven herself.
Levade
saddened at how low some will go in the "name of good and righteous"
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Scribe
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Levade,
I'm not going to flame you and to a degree I admit you're right. The flames were probably a little over the top. But try see if from my point of view. Not only did she steal the story word for word, she had authors notes that maintained the lie that she wrote the story, the processes that went through her mind as she came up with the plot. I don't know whether you can understand how offensive this was to me personally, who really sweated over the writing of that particular story. It was extremely hurtful to me and to the point where I thought I might just abandon this whole idea of writing fan fic. The people who flamed did so with the best of intentions. yes, they probably got a little over zealous but stealing is something we're taught never to do. It is one of the commandment for goodness sake! Its behaviour that's not just about fan fic but also about how you live your life. You don't steal anyone things, fan fic or anything else.
It just wrong. |
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Viv
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Regading the flames: It's kind of cathartic, I think. We couldn't possibly wound the artist within her: it isn't her work. So, I guess we feel like it's pretty much open range.
Polite fic-izens know better than to flame someone who has posted something original and who is obviously proud of their effort.
But descriptions like "thief" and "liar" etc are technically correct in this case; they aren't baseless snarkdom. |
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Ariel
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Ahem...
I haven't looked at the story or the reviews, but this event looks vaguely like a microcosm of the events that turned some here off of HA. Report the girl and have the story removed. Have her access to ff.net revolked, but I must agree with Levade, the nastiness just makes the reviewer look childish. A review that states that this is a violation of site rules and is a bald faced plagerism of another respected work should suffice... especially when repeated with varying degrees of indignity. I know how infuriating it can be to see your hard work assumed by someone else without even a by your leave - I've been there - but you are in the right here - and people know it. Lodge your complaint and see justice done. There is no reason to stoop to her level.
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Roisin
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I don't think Scribe has even posted a review over there, and she has the most reason to be upset.
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Scribe
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| Roisin wrote: | I don't think Scribe has even posted a review over there, and she has the most reason to be upset.
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I did post but I merely told her to remove the story, I told her that how dare she copy something that was not hers. I called her bloody arrogant and stupid but considerng that it was the first I saw it I'm justified. And no, Ariel you don't know how I feel or what I copped to write that story and to see her writing author's notes, pretending that she went through some intellectual process to come up with the fic is all the more insulting. The Eastering is loved as it is, makes it all the more outrageous. This wasn't simply cutting and pasting a few pages out of the story, this was the entire thing and considering I have a series based on that character, god only knows how far she would have gone in stealing before she was stopped. Am I sorry that she's been flamed...hell no. Do I agree some of it was harsh yes but see it from the point of the posters as well. If she didn't get the flames, she would have been reported and though ho hum, been caught, better be more careful next time. This is a lesson of how much in contempt reader regards thieves.
She didn't write a bad story, or delve into sueism which is a perfectly acceptable mistake for any new author - she STOLE someone's work and had the audacity to adminish people about stealing that same work because its the product of her hard work. That kind of blantant arrogance is deserving of the response got.
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dolarabee
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Yeah, how could Scribe control any of the reviewers? They're all their own.
As far as considering the thief a 'kid', I don't agree. She claims to be 15. That's old enough to know better. (Years ago women were wives and mothers at that age!) In fact, we know she does know better since she had the nerve to warn readers not to steal her stolen work.
I called her a little c*nt and I'd do it to her face given a chance.
That's my opinion, no one has to agree with it. She insulted someone publicly, I just gave her a taste of her own medicine. I'm really curious to see how some people would react if the tables were turned. Would you be as gracious as you say you'd be?
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