[picara]

I am having trouble understanding two things:

1) I see that when Elwing is driven from Sirion, Maglor takes Elrond and Elros. How do they leave Maglor? Is that described in Sil. somewhere? What chapter?

2) At the end of "Of the Voyage of Earendil" it says that Galadriel "alone remained of those who led the Naldor to exile." Does that mean to imply that of all the Naldor that left Valinor with Feanor, only Galadriel survive through the War of Wrath or only that she was the only noble to survive? What do you think?

Any input on either of these questions would help me alot in a story I'm writing. Thanks.

[SpaceWeavil]

I've looked into the Maglor thing myself and have never found any reference to how they left him. If it's in HoME, I haven't found it yet.

As for Galadriel, I have always taken that to mean she was the only one left out of those who 'led' the Noldor out of Valinor, i.e. one of the ruling ones. There were still Noldor in ME after the breaking of Thangorodrim - Celebrimbor for one and his pals in Ost-in-Edhil. So I always took that to mean she was the only one left who actually took an active part in convincing the Noldor to leave Valinor.

Don't know if that's of any use

[picara]

Thanks, I'd actually hoped you would see this because I kind of assumed you had looked into Elrond fairly carefully given your current story. I really can't find any details on him leaving Maglor either but if anyone knows, I hope they'll tell me.

That's how I interpret the line about Galadriel too. I mean, obviously there are Noldor in ME in the Second Age. I just wondered if I was missing something about how they got there--i.e. if they were ones that never went to Valinor. Surely some of the ones that came back with Feanor must have survived beyond the FA.

[Andreth]

Nope, you're right SW. There's nothing to indicate when or how the twins left Maglor's care and ended up in Lindon.

And you're also right about Galadriel. She was the last of the leaders of the Noldorin rebellion. Feanor and his sons led one group and Galadriel and her brothers were among those who led the other group. At the end of the First Age the Valar pardoned the Noldor and the Doom of Mandos was lifted from them, or so they thought. Seems like it came back to visit them again in the Second Age. In one version of the story Galadriel refused the pardon of the Noldor out of pride and because she still wanted to establish her own realm, and in another version the Valar didn't extend the pardon to her because of her major role in the Rebellion of the Noldor. Whatever the reason, it says she didn't go. Celebrimbor wasn't among the Elves who led the rebellion (although his father Orodreth was) and most people think Celebrimbor was born in Middle-earth.

There were still plenty of Noldor around in the Second Age. I believe in Unfinished Tales it mentions some following Galadriel and Celeborn around in their wanderings because they looked to her to be a leader, and then like SW mentioned, there was a significant Noldorin presence in Ost-In-Edhil.

[inglor]

Just a little note here: of the 16 "Leaders of the Rebellion" (Feanor and his sons, Fingolfin and his children, and the offspring of Finarfin) only 1 survived to see the Second Age. I just find it amazing how the 1st Age decimated the House of Finwe.

Inglor

[Ceana]

Someone tell me if I'm wrong, but didn't Maglor survive. He just walked off singing his song of lamentation after throwing his Silmaril into the sea and was never heard of again. Well, that could be interpreted as gone I guess.

[Andreth]

It never says that Maglor died, just that after throwing the Silmaril into the sea he wandered the shores singing, like you said. Most people think that he eventually faded and went to the Halls of Mandos, but that's never said for sure anywhere. I've read lots of fics about Maglor in present day and that's definitely a possibility.

[inglor]

I just caught this:

[Andreth]

What, you didn't know that Orodreth was Celebrimbor's father? Geesh, I thought everyone knew that.

Kidding. It was a typo. I think this is when I was trying to catch up on all the posts I'd missed and I must have had Gil-galad on the brain. Your story is still safe.

[inglor]