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Andreth
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| Amlee wrote: | | Before a child is born the soul of that child is suppose to be in heaven. So as a child our soul remembers being there and we are more open to seeing things and communcating with spirits. Many people believe that is just what an imaginary friend is to a child. As we get older we are told and taught to not believe. We fear being thought nuts so we lose the ability to communcate. Then it's thought as we get older and closer to death our souls start to remember. So when an older person that is dying starts talking about seeing people long dead. It's thought that is the soul starting to communcate again. |
That is a lovely thought. I like that theory. It sounds like the Jewish belief of the Guf (which is a Hebraic word that simply means 'the body'). The unborn souls lived in this 'treasury', and after death they returned to a different level of it, called the Tzror ha-hayyim.
There are legends in many different cultures about the soul being highly susceptible to outside influences just prior to and after death, so it fits in with a lot of other things I've read on the subject. Some cultures will have a medicine man or someone considered religiously powerful guarding the body before and after death to make sure that nothing harmful happened to the susceptible spirit. Creepy. |
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Andreth
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| Rous wrote: | | I can buy into the sixth sense thing. Too many things go on in this world. But as for seeing dead people, I do not buy that. Once someone is dead, they are gone. If you are a believer, it will tell you that in the Bible. I do not believe in ghosts. Never. That being said, I think that there is something there. I usually refer to it as a haunt. Not in negative way, just lack of a better word. Dead people go on to their reward, whether that is heaven or hell. So what remains. I have no idea. I have never seen a 'ghost', but my husband has, he claims. But I have been in houses where there is no way I will go upstairs after dark. |
I fully respect your belief in the interpretation in different passages in the Bible, but I think it would be better if we steered clear of certain religious aspects of the topic, which is a hard thing to do when discussing death and the afterlife. Just mostly any situations that might end up in a right or wrong-type discussion. Not to say that you meant anything offensive or said anything wrong, it's just there's a lot of different people with a lot of different beliefs, myself included, and I don't want to take a chance on this developing into something that might insult somebody. Like I'm worried about doing by even saying this. 
Anyway, I used to be very pessimistic about ghosts, even though I'd had a pretty significant experience in my teenage years. After I got older I chalked that up to an overactive imagination. But then a few Octobers ago my husband and sons talked me into going ghost hunting with them. A very nice and accommodating park guide took us on an after-hours tour of the upper floor of the Millermore House in Dallas. After a half-hour I left that place a firm believer in ghosts.
I don't know exactly what ghosts are, but I think it has something to do with the First Law of Thermodynamics. That energy can neither be created or destroyed by natural causes, it can only change forms. Our bodies create registerable energy, whether that's caused by our spirits or chemical reactions in our bodies I don't know, but that energy has to go somewhere or do something after death. Maybe some of it hangs around. There's lots of possibilities and potential explanations and I enjoy studying about all of them. I have a very morbid imagination.  |
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Rous
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | she took me to an Ustaz to sort me out, but it turned out that a child's 6th sense is just more sensitive compared to an adult's, and my deceased relative simply meant no harm. |
An Ustaz? Is that like a Muslim teacher or a scholar? The word sounds familiar but I can't remember exactly what it is. And how did he sort you out? That sounds extremely interesting. If you wouldn't mind telling me anyway. If you do and you don't want to post it here, you could PM me. I'd love to know about it. |
Hey, I want to know, also. My thirst for obscure useless (to the Dude) information needs quenching. 
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Rous
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreth wrote: |
I fully respect your belief in the interpretation in different passages in the Bible, but I think it would be better if we steered clear of certain religious aspects of the topic, which is a hard thing to do when discussing death and the afterlife. Just mostly any situations that might end up in a right or wrong-type discussion. Not to say that you meant anything offensive or said anything wrong, it's just there's a lot of different people with a lot of different beliefs, myself included, and I don't want to take a chance on this developing into something that might insult somebody. Like I'm worried about doing by even saying this.
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If you are referring to me, I am not insulted. I have a respect for others beliefs. And I do understand from where you are coming. I usually try to steer away from religion and politics. I only meant that according to my understanding of the Bible, and I realize that even among those who follow its teachings there are different interpretations. While I may not agree with them, I do respect their right to believe as they see fit.
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I don't know exactly what ghosts are, but I think it has something to do with the First Law of Thermodynamics. That energy can neither be created or destroyed by natural causes, it can only change forms. Our bodies create registerable energy, whether that's caused by our spirits or chemical reactions in our bodies I don't know, but that energy has to go somewhere or do something after death. Maybe some of it hangs around. There's lots of possibilities and potential explanations and I enjoy studying about all of them. I have a very morbid imagination. |
I have heard 'ghosts' explained as an enery field. Where it comes from or why it concentrates in one area, I could not say. Like I said, I do not believe in ghosts, but I am a firm believer that there is something there. I have felt it myself too many times to disbelieve. I do believe that the Creator made things that are far above the understanding of man. So, maybe he left such things for us to find out for ourselves.
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Andreth
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| Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Rous wrote: | | If you are referring to me, I am not insulted. I have a respect for others beliefs. And I do understand from where you are coming. I usually try to steer away from religion and politics. I only meant that according to my understanding of the Bible, and I realize that even among those who follow its teachings there are different interpretations. While I may not agree with them, I do respect their right to believe as they see fit. |
Thanks Rous. I was dreadfully worried that I'd end up insulting you and do the very thing I was trying to avoid.  |
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Rous
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No sweat. I am more thick-skinned concerning my religion than I am about my fics. Maybe because I am firmly entrenched in my faith whereas my fics leave me on pretty shaky ground. LOL. Maybe I should write stories about that.
Anyway, to each his own. And we can all agree to disagree. Have I left out any pertinent clichés? Sorry, did not mean to hijack your thread. Back to the topic, because the gods know that no one here ever goes OT. 
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I think that ghosts are like echos. I am a christian as well, but I think that if sound can travel on thru space and time, then so can the actions that we take while we are here.
Ghosts are a combo of the memories of people who still live, and the echo of the things we have done. De ja vu is like you saying or doing something in the same place where someone else has said the same thing in the same place.
I was swimming once, and I had done a particulary fabulous dive, and when I emerged from the water, I heard the praise of my grandpa who had died a year earlier.
I can't quite reconsile this with my faith, but it happened, and I cherish that memory. It meant a lot when I missed him so much!
At my wedding five years ago, I could have sworn that both of my grandpas were there, I felt that energy. Again, we have no idea what the actual rules of the heaven/earth boundry, and we won't until we are past it.
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Rous
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I guess that I am just not very imaginative. I have a hard time reconciling the ghost thing with my faith, but then, I have a lot of other strange ideas that make up for it. *shrugs* Just one of those things that I suppose I will have to wait to find out.
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Jillian
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This happened to a sixty year old some 15 years ago. Ken was very ill at the time, the Docs. couldn't say what was wrong with him, just that it was rare and would kill him soon.
This is a 'dream' he related to his wife, but of course, it was no dream.
Ken fell asleep, and at some point during the night, he was grabbed and hauled towards a light by black clad men. He later described the speed as 'incredible, like warp speed in star trek'
He spoke to the 'light' and asked if he had to stay in this place could he go back and get Laurel and the baby (Kim, then 2). He was told no, at which point he got very upset and told the light off. Apparently, the light didn't like a very cross Aussie swearing at it he was told he could go back 'just this once. Next time, you stay.'
Ken was whizzed back by the black clad men, and then he was hovering in the roof of his bedroom looking down at his body. The black clad men 'dropped' him back into his body.
At the time, he didn't think much of this, now he believes he died that night, and was allowed to return to care for his wife (who was diagnoised with breast cancer a year later) and his young daughter. |
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