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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:57 am    Post subject: Law and Order...Gondor Style Reply with quote

I'm stealing DarkElfChilde's idea of working on notes for another story in an attempt to clear some block with my others, and have a little tiny idea brewing. The idea, though, would involve Minas Tirith, whilst Denethor II is still steward, and I will admit I am not the greatest expert on all things mannish.

Are there any good sources of information on the justice system employed in MT, or Gondor in general? I've seen fics where there have been sheriffs 'policing' the country, but I don't know if this is fanon or canon.

So any of the more knowledgeable people out there have any ideas?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tolkien actually was never specific on what kind of social/kingdom structure he was using.

I would bet that Feudal is the most likely. Therefore, the justice system would be run through that.

Here be linkses!

http://www.chobham.info/feudal_system.htm
http://www.hemyockcastle.co.uk/feudal.htm#b
http://www.chronique.com/Kids/nobles.htm
http://www.trytel.com/~tristan/towns/glossary.html


Good research=great fic! Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the links. I know a fair bit about the feudal system, from my old job and from my law studies, but I didn't want to base anything on historical detail without checking that there wasn't some established canon to argue against it. I had quite a good Tolkien reference book I used to use as a starting point when looking up details, but I've found too many mistakes in that recently.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Law and Order...Gondor Style Reply with quote

SpaceWeavil wrote:
Are there any good sources of information on the justice system employed in MT, or Gondor in general

No. Twisted Evil



Sorry, I couldn't resist, since there just isn't anything out there and folks keep asking if there is. For all LOTR culminates in MT and has, in some way, all been leading up to Aragorn's reestablishing kingship there we know almost nothing -- no - make that 'absolutely nothing' -- about 'ordinary' life there.

Good news is, it's wide open for probable guesswork and it looks like Mora's certainly set you off on the right road.

-- Nancy (wearing her stylish smartass hat today).

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Law and Order...Gondor Style Reply with quote

NancyBrooke wrote:
SpaceWeavil wrote:
Are there any good sources of information on the justice system employed in MT, or Gondor in general

No. Twisted Evil



Sorry, I couldn't resist, since there just isn't anything out there and folks keep asking if there is.


Embarassed Sorry for asking. I didn't realise folks had been on this subject a lot. I should search the forums before I post. Smile I just always seem to be finding little details each time I read the books again that mean I have to go back and alter stuff I have in fics, and so wondered if anyone else had spotted anything.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooo Nancy! You is so sexay when you is being a smartass! Wink


Weavy - Go with your instincts, girly. You have a smart head on your shoulders and you always write believable fiction.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can picture it now Law and Order: Cases from the South Kingdom, or maybe CSI: Gondor.
While I can’t really help you on the Gondor side of things I can help you with some good crime series you might want/like to watch (including of course Law and Order). In the very least I watch them, or have at least recently started to.

Law and Order
About the Show= http://www.nbc.com/Law_&_Order/index.html
“Law & Order,” the longest running crime series and the second longest-running drama series in the history of television, enters its 15th season on NBC with new cast member Dennis Farina. The brainchild of creator Dick Wolf, “Law & Order” is the most successful brand in primetime television as the 1997 Emmy Award winner for Outstanding Drama Series, the record holder for the most consecutive (eleven) best series nominations (tied with “Cheers” and “M*A*S*H”) and the longest-running drama series currently on television. It has also turned into one of entertainment’s preeminent brands, with its successful spin-offs Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, Law & Order: Criminal Intent, Crime & Punishment and the upcoming Law & Order: Trial By Jury.

Veteran film and television actor Dennis Farina (“Empire Falls,” “Get Shorty,” “Crime Story”) joins the cast as Detective Joe Fontana, a slick but skilled new partner for Detective Ed Green (Jesse L. Martin). Fontana replaces Jerry Orbach (Detective Lennie Briscoe), who is retiring from active duty and working for the District Attorney’s office in the upcoming Law & Order: Trial By Jury, slated to debut in early 2005.

Filmed entirely on location in New York City, this realistic program looks at crime and justice from a dual perspective. In the first half-hour, Detectives Joe Fontana (Dennis Farina) and Edward Green (Jesse L. Martin) investigate crimes and apprehend suspects under the supervision of their precinct lieutenant, Anita Van Buren (S. Epatha Merkerson). In the second half-hour, the focus shifts to the criminal courts, as Executive Assistant District Attorney Jack McCoy (Sam Waterston) and Assistant District Attorney Serena Southerlyn (Elisabeth Rohm) work within a complicated justice system to prosecute the accused under the guidance of District Attorney Arthur Branch (Fred Thompson).

Some cases may be simple, but most are multi-faceted. The investigations are challenging, prosecutions are complicated, and decisions about legal procedures and plea-bargaining are vexing. In the arduous and complex process of determining guilt and innocence, lives often hang in the balance.

“Law & Order” has been renewed through 2006 and has consistently delivered some of the highest ratings on television, scoring the #4 average for any drama on any network among adults 18-49 for each of the past four full seasons. “Law & Order” was also television’s #5 drama in overall total viewers for the 2003-04 season with an average of 15.9 million viewers.

“Law & Order” is a Wolf Films production in association with NBC Universal Television Studio. Dick Wolf is creator and executive producer; Matthew Penn, Eric Overmyer, Peter Jankowski and Roz Weinman are executive producers.

Law and Order: Special Victims Unit
About the Show= http://www.nbc.com/Law_&_Order:_Special_Victims_Unit/index.html
This hard-hitting and emotional companion series from NBC’s “Law & Order” franchise chronicles the life and crimes of the elite Special Victims Unit of the New York Police Department. “Law & Order: Special Victims Unit” was created by Emmy Award-winning producer Dick Wolf. “SVU” celebrated its 100th episode in November, 2003 and is now entering it's sixth season.

Although “Law & Order: Special Victims Unit” carries the brand name “Law & Order,” the newer program has established a strong unique identity and has proven itself as a hit in its own right. Last season (2002-03), the series broke into the Top 10 and garnered an Emmy nomination for guest-star Barbara Barrie.

“Law & Order: Special Victims Unit” achieved the highest adult 18-49 ratings average for any Friday series on any network for each of the last four seasons. In fact, this past season, “SVU” delivered NBC’s biggest advantage with regular programs in that time period in the history of Nielsen’s current People Meter technology. Additionally, the series’ popularity was recognized in its debut season by both the People’s Choice Awards and the TV Guide Awards with nominations for Favorite New Series.

The drama follows Det. Elliot Stabler (Christopher Meloni, “Runaway Bride,” “Oz”), a seasoned veteran of the unit who has seen it all, and his partner, Olivia Benson (Emmy nominated Mariska Hargitay, NBC’s “ER”), whose difficult past is the reason she joined the unit.

Overseeing the team is Capt. Donald Cragen (Dann Florek, reprising the role he played on the first three seasons of “Law & Order”). Cragen’s tough but supportive approach to the team’s complex cases guides the squad through the challenges they face every day. Also featured is Det. John Munch (Richard Belzer, “Homicide: Life on the Street”), a transfer from Baltimore’s homicide unit, who brings his acerbic wit, conspiracy theories and street-honed investigative skills. Munch is partnered with Det. Odafin “Fin” Tutuola (Ice-T, “Players,” “New Jack City”), whose unique sense of humor and investigative experience make him a formidable match for Munch.

Assistant District Attorney Casey Novak (new cast regular Diane Neal, “Hack” and “Ed”) adds a legal component to the series through her efforts to bring closure to the intense investigations. Also aiding the detectives is forensic psychiatrist George Huang (B.D. Wong, “Oz”), whose insight into the minds of the accused often provides significant clues that lead to the resolution of a case.

“Law & Order: Special Victims Unit” is a Wolf Films production in association with NBC Universal Television Studio. Dick Wolf is creator and executive producer, Ted Kotcheff (“Fun with Dick and Jane,” “Weekend at Bernie’s”), Neal Baer (NBC’s “ER,” “China Beach”) and Peter Jankowski are executive producers.

Law and Order: Criminal Intent
About the Show= http://www.nbc.com/Law_&_Order:_Criminal_Intent/index.html
Groundbreaking producer Dick Wolf presides over his popular, Emmy Award-winning “Law & Order” franchise on NBC with his latest series, “Law & Order: Criminal Intent,” now entering its second season. This legal crime drama is unique among the other franchise programs in that it offers an additional dimension by exposing major crimes from the criminal’s perspective.

The drama series integrates a unique psychological component into the much-lauded brand of storytelling evident in “Law & Order” (now in its 13th season) and in “Law & Order: Special Victims Unit” (now in its fourth season). The series’ storytellers, led by executive producer Rene Balcer – a 10-year veteran of the original drama as an executive producer, head writer and showrunner – allow viewers an even more up-close-and-personal peek into the criminal justice system.

Vincent D’Onofrio (“Men in Black”) stars as Det. Robert Goren, an exceptionally bright homicide investigator with well-honed instincts that match up favorably with his criminal quarry. Likewise, his partner, Det. Alexandra Eames (Kathryn Erbe, “Oz”), brings an independence and stylish edge to her work that meshes well with Goren.

Their commanding officer, Capt. James Deakins (Jamey Sheridan, “Shannon’s Deal”), is a competent but ambitious political animal who knows how to survive and thrive behind the scenes. All of them often butt heads with the no-nonsense District Attorney Ron Carver (Courtney B. Vance, “The Tuskegee Airmen”), a stickler for the crucial legal details.

“‘Law & Order’ has evolved into one of the most distinctively branded franchises in the history of television,” said Wolf. “Both ‘Law & Order’ and ‘Law & Order: Special Victims Unit’ are enjoying some of their best ratings ever and it is my hope that viewers will continue to embrace the brand with ‘Law & Order: Criminal Intent’.” Indeed the viewers have responded, because “Law & Order: Criminal Intent” in its second season has moved ahead of all broadcast competition to consistently lead that hour among adults 18-49.

“Law & Order: Criminal Intent” is a production of Wolf Films in association with Universal Television. Dick Wolf, Rene Balcer and Peter Jankowski are executive producers; Fred Berner and Arthur Forney are co-executive producers.

CSI: Crime Scene Investigation
About the Show= http://www.cbs.com/primetime/csi/main.shtml

CSI: Miami
About the Show= http://www.cbs.com/primetime/csi_miami/home.shtml

CSI: New York
About the Show= http://www.cbs.com/primetime/csi_ny/
CSI: NY is a crime drama, spun off from CSI: Miami and inspired by the Number One drama series, CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, about forensic investigators who use high-tech science to follow the evidence and solve crimes in the Big Apple. Det. Mack "Mac" Taylor (Gary Sinise) is a dedicated and driven crime-scene investigator who believes that everything is connected and everyone has a story. He and his partner, Det. Stella Bonasera (Melina Kanakaredes), a workaholic and a jack of all trades, share a passion for the job. They lead a team of experts through the gritty and kinetic city that never sleeps.

Their team includes Danny Messer (Carmine Giovinazzo), a Brooklyn-born investigator with rugged good looks, an unflappable spirit and a history of family in law enforcement, and Dr. Sheldon Hawkes (Hill Harper), a reclusive coroner who walked away from a promising surgical career after the traumatic loss of two patients. Joining them is homicide detective Don Flack (Eddie Cahill), an edgy, hardcore investigator with a quick wit, impressive forensic insight and limited patience with potential suspects. Rounding out the team is Aiden Burn (Vanessa Ferlito), a smart and sexy investigator whose chameleon-like behavior allows her to adapt to any situation. The New York CSIs may have a different process than those in Las Vegas or Miami, but they are guided by the same steadfast determination. These skilled investigators, who see New York in a different light, follow the evidence as they piece together clues and eliminate doubt to ultimately crack their cases.

Without a Trace
About the Show= www.cbs.com/primetime/without_a_trace/
WITHOUT A TRACE is a riveting procedural drama about the New York Missing Persons Squad of the FBI. The sole responsibility of the special task force is to find missing persons by applying advanced psychological profiling techniques to peel back the layers of the victims' lives and trace their whereabouts in an effort to discover whether they have been abducted, been murdered, committed suicide or simply run away. The team reconstructs a "Day of Disappearance" timeline that details every minute of the 24 hours prior to the disappearance and digs into every facet of the victim's life, following one simple rule: learn who the victim is in order to learn where the victim is. Senior agent Jack Malone (Anthony LaPaglia), a tough but compassionate, seasoned and astute professional, heads the dedicated team that knows too well that every second counts when someone vanishes. His squad includes Samantha Spade (Poppy Montgomery), an agent whose blonde good looks belie a tough, complex approach to her work; Vivian Johnson (Marianne Jean-Baptiste), a no-nonsense investigator with a special insight into victims' families; Danny Taylor (Enrique Murciano), whose sensitivity is often covered up by his street smarts, and the strait-laced Martin Fitzgerald (Eric Close), who joined the team as a result of his father's connections but has since earned his stripes. As the agents work on varied and complicated cases, details about their own lives continue to unfold.

Cold Case
About the Show= www.cbs.com/primetime/cold_case/
COLD CASE is a drama about Lilly Rush (Kathryn Morris), the lone female detective in the Philadelphia homicide squad who finds her niche when she's assigned to "cold cases"--crimes that have never been solved. Previously, she used her instinctive understanding of the criminal mind on current murders. Now, she's interrogating witnesses whose lives and circumstances have since changed, making use of today's new science and finding fresh clues to solve cases that were previously unsolvable, all of which appeals to this smart, driven detective. She's also prepared for the consequences: that her work will open up old wounds and may lead suspects to commit new crimes. When she hits a dead end, Rush seeks advice from her respected mentor, Lt. John Stillman (John Finn). Also on the team are Det. Scotty Valens (Danny Pino), Rush's confident and strong-willed partner; Det. Will Jeffries (Thom Barry), who's been around long enough to serve as Lilly's link to the past; and Det. Nick Vera (Jeremy Ratchford), a tough cop who's considered the go-to guy for getting a confession. Rush sees her assignment as a turning point in her career when she decides to make it her business to make sure that no victim is ever forgotten.

NCIS (Naval Criminal Investigation Service)
About the Show= www.cbs.com/primetime/navy_ncis/
NCIS (Naval Criminal Investigative Service) is an action drama, about a team of special agents whose mission is to investigate any crime that has a shred of evidence connected to Navy and Marine Corps personnel, regardless of rank or position. Leading this team that operates outside of the military chain of command is NCIS Special Agent Leroy Jethro Gibbs (Mark Harmon), a highly skilled investigator and interrogator who is smart, tough and willing to bend the rules to get the job done. Working under Gibbs is Special Agent Anthony DiNozzo (Michael Weatherly), a former homicide detective who has instincts that come only from working on the streets. Joining them are Agent Kate Todd (Sasha Alexander), a beautiful, tough former Secret Service agent who has gone head to head with Gibbs in the past, and forensics specialist Abby Sciuto (Pauley Perrette), a gifted scientist whose dark wit matches her goth-style hair and clothes. New to the team is Special Agent Timothy McGee (Sean Murray), a graduate of MIT whose computer skills earned him a spot on Gibb's team as a probationary field agent. Assisting the team is medical examiner Dr. Donald "Ducky" Mallard (David McCallum), who knows it all because he's seen it all. From murder and espionage to terrorism and stolen submarines, these special agents travel the globe to investigate all crimes with Navy or Marine Corps ties.


Don’t know if that helps you any, but I hope that somehow it can so there ya go.
Very Happy Jen, a.k.a Leila

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im a L&O Criminal Intent junkie. Have a huge crush on Detective Goren aka Detective Pile!

And you will get me to stop watching CSI Miami and CSI Vegas when you prize my tv from my cold dead hands!


But now we are all Off Topic! !!!

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