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Rous
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| inglor wrote: | | Rous wrote: | | And a big fat raspberry to those who could not be bothered. Shame on you. |
I'm amazed that half the people didn't vote...  |
I am amazed that people throw away their rights like that. And then gripe when they do not like the results. I feel that voting is not only my right, but my duty. I know who I wanted in office, and who I did not, and I made sure that I did my best to see that it happened. After that, it is in God's hands. I hope that we have done the right thing. Politics is not exactly an exact science.
We had a seventy percent turn out in our area. Of course that is like 473 out of 682 voters. And a heavy democratic area. And I heard that they were expecting around 73 percent in Ohio. And there were reports that the Democratic party was going to try to keep the voting open after the polls closed due to the five hour lines still waiting to vote. There is something to be said for country living. We only waited ten minutes in the pouring rain (does it always have to rain?), then I managed to jump line, because I had to get to the other polls. The Dude said he waited for another twenty or thirty minutes to vote. And parking was a nightmare. Good think I had a truck (read: 350 Ford Turbo). I just drove out through the grass. Love 4x4.
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Amlee
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:13 am Post subject: |
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I am so glad that it's over or is it?? It seems that Kerry is going to file suit in Ohio. *roll* It seems to me if Bush won then Bush won let it go! What's the point of us voting if it's going to be decided by some judge?
As for those it don't vote. I have an employee that will not vote and refuse to vote. She was complaining about taxes the other day and my anwser to her was if she doesn't vote then she has no right to BAM about anything! |
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Rous
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| Amlee wrote: | I am so glad that it's over or is it?? It seems that Kerry is going to file suit in Ohio. *roll* It seems to me if Bush won then Bush won let it go! What's the point of us voting if it's going to be decided by some judge?
As for those it don't vote. I have an employee that will not vote and refuse to vote. She was complaining about taxes the other day and my anwser to her was if she doesn't vote then she has no right to BAM about anything! |
It seems that it has become a way of life here. If you do not like things as they are, sue somebody.
And as for those who do not vote, my mom said the same thing. If you cannot be bothered to go vote, do not complain. You do not have that right.
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inglor
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| Rous wrote: |
It seems that it has become a way of life here. If you do not like things as they are, sue somebody.
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Amen, Amen, Amen
The word "Deserve" pops up way too much in this country, you deserve what you work for, not because you were born
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Moralanqua
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | It seems to me if Bush won then Bush won let it go! |
Shame Bush couldn't do the same 4 years ago when he LOST to Gore. 
I wanna see that nice Terminator guy becoming Pres. He can go Conan on Blairs butt and get my tuition fees voided! 
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DreadLadyFreya
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Moralanqua wrote: |
Shame Bush couldn't do the same 4 years ago when he LOST to Gore. |
 Mora, dear, would you like to 'splain? (for those of us in the cheap seats  )
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Moralanqua
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4 year ago. Florida. Gore won but Bush was 'declared' President. Something about contested ballots ring a bell?
The rest of the World watching with an impartial eye realised then that its not the voting that counts - its who your family is in business with.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Moralanqua wrote: | | 4 year ago. Florida. Gore won but Bush was 'declared' President. Something about contested ballots ring a bell? |
Specifically, Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000 but he did not win the Electoral College. Bush won in Florida and then won the electoral college. What that means is: the Electoral College really elects the president here in the US. The people don't vote for president. We vote to tell our representatives in the electoral college how to vote. Then they elect the president. You need 270 electors to vote for you in the college to become president. Each state has a certain number of electors depending on their population. When Bush won the electoral votes in Florida in 2000, that gave him enough electors to become president.
The problem arose from the fact that he only won Flroida by around 500 votes and so many votes in Florida were disqualified by officials as unreadable. The officials saying they were unreadable worked for George W Bush's brother, Jeb Bush, the governor of Florida, from some people's point of view.
I know that the county where I vote, my vote was one of the votes in Florida that was lost. Around 3000 votes got lost somehow in that election. So people complained about that too.
It did create a controversy that a lot of people in Florida still are bitter over. I had neighbors who said there was no point in voting because we did last time and it didn't get counted. Then, when I went to the polls, the machine that you put your paper in started beeping after it had been on about 5 minutes. Fifty people had already put their votes in. The officials couldn't say if their votes got counted by the machine or not but you couldn't vote again. It almost caused a riot. So, voting is not perfect in Florida. |
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Rous
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If they do not like the electorial college, then they should do away with it. There was an uproar about twenty or so years ago when a representative to the college voted against their state. So, even it is not perfect. It should be what the people want, not representatives of said people. And I think more things should be voted on by the people. I.E. Should congress and reps get a raise when the rest of us are struggling to pay the taxes for their raise? I say go back to the way it was intended to be. They only serve one term, they get NO SALARY, and they have to make their own way. Let them live in subsidised housing. And drive themselves to work. They should live like the rest of us. *note to self, pay maid and chauffer when welfare check comes in*
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Moralanqua
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Does all the mean the same as:
" Bush won last time because the Supreme Court decided to stop the electoral recount in Florida, and *appoint* him President. Which is unprecedented in American history "
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Rous
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To be honest, I am not sure what the heck happened in Florida. I fail to understand why if a hole is punched, just because the doohickey dot is still hanging someone could not figure out that it was punched. It is like being sort of pregnant. Either you are, or you are not. And if anyone remembers, Clinton won by the same method Bush did four years ago. By the electorial, not the popular vote. But you did not hear such an outcry then, and look where that administration got us. I have just learned to face it. We do not run our country. Rich guys who go to college to learn how to be a politician run it. We really have no say. I got a letter once from my own representative that he voted to okay abortion. Not because the majority in his district wanted it (which it did not) but because he thought it was the right thing. He was not sent there to do what he wants, he was sent there to do what the people want. I think that that is something that has gotten lost on the professional politician. He is supposed to be serving us, yet we end up paying for all of his career.
*sadly shakes head and jumps off of soapbox*
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NancyBrooke
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, there were essentially two problems in Florida last time; many votes weren't counted and many voters claimed they were unable to vote for one reason or another so an "accurate" count of the votes was impossible to get; then the case was taken to the U.S. Supreme court which, in essence, took the decision out of the hands of the people/electoral college (the justices not being elected but appointed by the President).
Many cried "foul!"
Yesterday, my voting experience was atypically easy, it sounds like. Took my daughter, walked right in, checked in, got my little card dohicky and stepped right up to an electric machine. My daughter got to press the button that cast my ballot. Then we went grocery shopping.
As of this posting I gather Kerry has officially conceded the race.  I guess that means he won't be pursuing the Ohio votes.
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Thuriniel
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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I just read an article that said that since Bush Sr. was elected, no candidate had won both electoral and popular vote, meaning that Clinton, as Rous pointed out, won both times only by electoral vote and not popular vote.
It's the system here, I guess. After 11 years of living in the US, I still don't get it  .
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Roisin
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Well Clinton didn't get a majority only b/c Perot took about 20 percent of the vote, but he did get a plurality. Meaning he had more than either of the other 2 candidates individually.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Thuriniel wrote: | I just read an article that said that since Bush Sr. was elected, no candidate had won both electoral and popular vote, meaning that Clinton, as Rous pointed out, won both times only by electoral vote and not popular vote.
It's the system here, I guess. After 11 years of living in the US, I still don't get it . |
Thuri, are you sure it was the "popular vote" and not a "majority vote". I'm pretty sure Clinton won the popular vote but not the majority. This is the first time in a while that the winner has won the majority vote. I think the outcry would have been worse if the pop vote and electoral college would have been different for 3 elections running. I could be wrong but I think the last time before 2000 was Kennedy/Nixon.
(started writing before Roisin posted  )
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