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Thuriniel
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In the appendixes it states that Aragorn and Arwen had one son, Eldarion, and an unknown number daughters (we don't even know their names). No younger son, sorry  .
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daw
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| Plot bunnies ran through my brains this morning and it occured to me that Aragorn and Arwen might have had a younger son who died or was not on good terms with Arwen in any case. |
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NancyBrooke
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Then run with that and just label your story AU!
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daw
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| Not me! I have other fish to fry at the moment, but anyone who wants the ideas is welcome to them. |
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Sorcia
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Just have to say, this has been a great thread. Very educational!Some of you 'really' know your stuff!!
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Lossefalme01
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Hey THANKS A LOT everyone!!! Your answers have been incredibly helpful and I really appreciate all the inputs I've gotten! I've come up with ANOTHER question though... heh... and that is does anyone have any clue as to how long Elboron lived, or maybe as to when Barahir was born? I'm writing a fic that takes place in IV 120 and I'm trying to figure out who would be the Steward of Gondor at that time... 
THANKS again everyone for all of your help! 
Oh yes... and does anyone know if Faramir's descendents continued to live in Ithilien or did they go somewhere else?? Thanks! 
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VanatheEverYoung
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| Lossefalme01 wrote: | I've come up with ANOTHER question though... heh... and that is does anyone have any clue as to how long Elboron lived, or maybe as to when Barahir was born? I'm writing a fic that takes place in IV 120 and I'm trying to figure out who would be the Steward of Gondor at that time...
THANKS again everyone for all of your help!
Oh yes... and does anyone know if Faramir's descendents continued to live in Ithilien or did they go somewhere else?? Thanks! |
I don't know for certain when Elboron and Barahir were born or how long they lived. However, I can make an educated guess. Assuming that birth control is non-existant in M-E, Elboron was probably born soon after his parent's marriage. Shall we assume within 5 years? That means in 120 4th Age, he is 115.
Faramir died in 82 Fourth Age. He lived about 120 years. Given his Numenorean blood, and figuring in Eowyn's lack thereof, it is probably safe to assume that Elboron lived at least 110 years, if not more. That is, if he did not die in battle or of an illness. So, if he were Steward in 120 4th Age, he would be incredibly old. Possibly even near death.
As for Barahir ... I'll use some logic to draw what I consider a practical solution. I'll use Faramir as an example for his son and grandson's behavior. He married Eowyn at the age of 35. So, if Elboron was born 5 years after their marriage, and married at the age of 35, and Barahir was born 5 years later, Barahir's birth year is 45 Fourth Age. In 120, he would be 75. Well within a Numenorean life span, even counting his grandmother (and possibly mother) not being of Numenorean descent.
If you are referring to Faramir's family living in Ithilien in 120 4th Age, my vote is YES. Emyn Arnen had a strong Steward, a strong king, and elves just to the South to help defend that land. I don't think a fief of Gondor would be abandoned in only 120 years.
This is all speculation from someone who has never read Peoples of M-E. Maybe someone else has better information. I've found that very little about the 4th Age is ever specifically stated. So, that is my mind at work ... Scary, huh? ... I hope it helped at least a little. |
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SpaceWeavil
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Just flicked through Peoples of ME, but as far as I can see it doesn't give any firm dates for Elboron or Barahir. Doesn't actually say a lot, to be honest. 
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Lossefalme01
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Heh! 
I didn't think the Fourth Age was detailed much, but I wanted to get some people's opinions of things! Thanks you all for your contributions! I think your estimation of Barahir's age in the Fourth Age works out really well, Vana! Thanks for all those estimations, they sound good to me! Tee hee.
SpaceWeavil ... I've almost got that crossover fic ready to send to you! Sorry it's taken so long, school has been evil! Thanks for helping!
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