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| SpaceWeavil wrote: | | Elentari wrote: | Hmmm... Uncovering my ignorance...
Where is the Sindarin 101?
Also, just to speed things up, could anyone come up with the sindarin words for 'betrayal', 'cold rage', 'pride' and 'left behind' for me? I'll take a look at the dictionaries myself, too, of course.
thanks in advance,
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Betrayal - 'gwareth'
Cold rage - rúth ring (that is 'cold anger, but nearest I can find)
Can't find 'pride' at the moment, but I have lost my best Sindarin dictionary when the PC died.
'Left Behind' - you can have 'awarthannen' (abandonned) or 'darthannen' (remained) maybe 'darthannen adel' (remained behind)
Hope some of that is useful. |
LOL! We must've answered at the same time! I just realized it. Glad that we agree on most terms. Thanks for coming up with betrayal ... pride is still escaping me  !
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Thuriniel wrote: | | ghettoelleth wrote: | | I've always been a firm believer in 'pick one language and master it, then you can hack up a few extra' |
That's my posture as well. |
I must admit I've never come across anyone speaking Spanglish.  As for other languages, I more sort of in the Tolkien school. I have a 'taste' of different languages. I studied French up to pre-university level and was considering taking my degree in languages, but had a severe personality clash with my French teacher in CSYS, which put me off studying languages formally for a long time. Other than French, I can only speak small bits of others, enough to get by. Had to when working in London. If nothing else I had to learn how to say, 'For German/Spanish/Italian/Japanese/whatever you need to take the Red Tour Bus' 
That was why I got into LOTR in the first place though. Not because of tour buses, but because of the languages.
I am trying to stay on topic, really I am...  
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Thuriniel wrote: | | SpaceWeavil wrote: | | Elentari wrote: | Hmmm... Uncovering my ignorance...
Where is the Sindarin 101?
Also, just to speed things up, could anyone come up with the sindarin words for 'betrayal', 'cold rage', 'pride' and 'left behind' for me? I'll take a look at the dictionaries myself, too, of course.
thanks in advance,
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Betrayal - 'gwareth'
Cold rage - rúth ring (that is 'cold anger, but nearest I can find)
Can't find 'pride' at the moment, but I have lost my best Sindarin dictionary when the PC died.
'Left Behind' - you can have 'awarthannen' (abandonned) or 'darthannen' (remained) maybe 'darthannen adel' (remained behind)
Hope some of that is useful. |
LOL! We must've answered at the same time! I just realized it. Glad that we agree on most terms. Thanks for coming up with betrayal ... pride is still escaping me ! |
I can't find 'pride' at all in any of my stuff. Can't find any synonyms either. With Fëanor and all that lot, you would think they would need a word for 'pride'
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OK, for 'pride', how is this for a roundabout way of saying it; înegleriad which would translate as 'self-glorification'?
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Wow Space, nice job! On the blend issue, is Rochir(insert proper accent mark) the way the elves would have said Rohirrem or would you have to say Roch Hîr, I always have a tendency to do project the spanish thing as well and switchreverse the descriptive noun and the subjective noun
, but Hîr Roch or Hîrroch isn't right, is it?
| Thuriniel wrote: | | I find Spanglish harmless as long as the speaker is aware of the right way of saying things |
Seriously Thuriniel, I couldn't agree more. I have at least one cousin whose staunch refusal to become proficient in either language, english or spanish, has him resorting to communicating with grunts fifty percent of the time. He actually thinks, "I know, huh?" is a complete phrase and a catchall response to just about anything.
I'm going to the store: I know, huh?
My shirt is wet: I know, huh?
You need to get a job dude: I know, huh?
Maybe "I know, huh?" Is Quenya for, "I have no idea what the sounds coming out of your mouth could possibly mean."
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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Rochir is listed in my dictionary as 'horse master' so I suppose it is usually said that way. Mine doesn't actually list it with an accent. Since technically it would be Roch (horse) + Hir (lord/master) I suppose you could say it another way, like 'Master of the Horse' possibly? So it would be Hir-idh-Roch (if I am nasally mutating that properly)
I actually lost track of what I was talking about about half way through that post, so sorry if it sounds weird
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| SpaceWeavil wrote: | | OK, for 'pride', how is this for a roundabout way of saying it; înegleriad which would translate as 'self-glorification'? |
Impressive! I've been thinking since yesterday about that one! I'm adding it to my self-made dictionary ... and you're right ... with elves of the likes of Feanor, "pride" should've been a priority !
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Thuriniel wrote: | | SpaceWeavil wrote: | | OK, for 'pride', how is this for a roundabout way of saying it; înegleriad which would translate as 'self-glorification'? |
Impressive! I've been thinking since yesterday about that one! I'm adding it to my self-made dictionary ... and you're right ... with elves of the likes of Feanor, "pride" should've been a priority ! |
I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking about that all the time.  My family think I'm strange, being interested in this stuff. Mind you my dad writes down the numbers of trains for pleasure, so... 
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| ghettoelleth wrote: | Vamos a la licor stor a comprar un seex pac  |
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Anirach aes?
Is that "would you like to eat?" |
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Yeah, that is 'do you desire food?', so you could just answer 'aniran' to that as well
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According to my dictionary, "would you like to eat?" would be:
"Anírach medi?"
But I think I would use the gerund, translating: "would you like eating?" just because Sindaring tends to use the gerund rather than the infinitive:
"Anírach vaded?"
(Gerund is mutated).
I didn't check for the translation of "would you desire food?" since SW already did .
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Thanks, Thuriniel. I was going to look up 'would you like to eat' but didn't have a moment this morning to get my materials out. Had the satellite installer people in today, so now I have 200 channels of nothing on TV instead of just 5.
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| SpaceWeavil wrote: | | Thanks, Thuriniel. I was going to look up 'would you like to eat' but didn't have a moment this morning to get my materials out. Had the satellite installer people in today, so now I have 200 channels of nothing on TV instead of just 5. |
We make a good team ... maybe we should open a Sindarin Translation Shop together !
What are you going to do with 200 channels girl ?! I get lost in my 60+ .
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| Thuriniel wrote: | | SpaceWeavil wrote: | | Thanks, Thuriniel. I was going to look up 'would you like to eat' but didn't have a moment this morning to get my materials out. Had the satellite installer people in today, so now I have 200 channels of nothing on TV instead of just 5. |
We make a good team ... maybe we should open a Sindarin Translation Shop together !
What are you going to do with 200 channels girl ?! I get lost in my 60+ . |
You wouldn't believe it, but there is hardly anything on any of the channels.
The guy did try to sell my pay per view movie channels so I could watch Return of the King. Like coming into my lounge you'd think I hadn't seen it?
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