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SpaceWeavil
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| Viv wrote: | | sindohte wrote: | | Mouth of Sauron - formerly Phinneas Roundbottom |
The mouth of Sauron was Julia Roberts's kiddo?
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Cheat sheet idea sounds good. |
OK, so would it be acceptible, d'you think, to put this as an introduction as a separate chapter, the same way some folks do author's notes, that way people could always just click on it if they want to refer back? Or is that against the rules of posting?
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| SpaceWeavil wrote: | | It's the Finrod/Fingon/Finarfin ones I can never get my head around. Always get them mixed up. |
People remember Feanor because there's a lot of big events associated with him. That's how I keep track of people in the Silm - I attach an event of importance to them that will stick in my mind. Like BB said, except you have to be a little more specific about the events.
Finrod - guy who gave Beren a ring and killed a werewolf with his bare hands and teeth. (Can I just say - Eeeew? That *had* to taste bad.)
Fingon - He and his cousin Maedhros were the Sam and Frodo of the Silmarillion, i.e., the old we-know-they-were-gay-Tolkien-just-never-admitted-it couple.
Finarfin - Stayed neutral, spoke softly and carried a big penis. While nobody ever comes right out and said it, the rumor in Middle-earth was that he slouched for a reason. BB knows it's true, she'll just never admit it. 
| Quote: | | Yeah, I'll have to trawl through some of the old threads on this forum. I know there were some good ones on Sauron. But I haven't even started researching him yet. Still on Men. But then the research is just as much fun as the writing |
I finally got my character sketch of Sauron finished and up in the library. The best references to get a sense of his personality are Morgoth's Ring (Motives in the Silmarillion) and Letters of Tolkien. Lots of good stuff on him in there.) |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreth wrote: | | Finarfin - Stayed neutral, spoke softly and carried a big penis. While nobody ever comes right out and said it, the rumor in Middle-earth was that he slouched for a reason. BB knows it's true, she'll just never admit it. |
He might have carried a big penis, but he stole it off some other poor Noldo bloke.
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Andreth
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| BittenBuggy wrote: | | Andreth wrote: | | Finarfin - Stayed neutral, spoke softly and carried a big penis. While nobody ever comes right out and said it, the rumor in Middle-earth was that he slouched for a reason. BB knows it's true, she'll just never admit it. |
He might have carried a big penis, but he stole it off some other poor Noldo bloke. |
You mean Johnwaynebobbitwë? Nah, I heard Miriel sewed his back on. Finarfin says he had to carry his to prevent getting road rash when it scraped along the ground.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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What the hell is this topic about again? Oh yeah, yes Legolas, water certainly can tend to be very wet. 
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| Sorry, this is an ongoing subject of banter for BB and I. It's just so damn fun I forget myself sometimes. |
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KhazarKhum
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Ringwraith Names:
There are a couple of theories about the actual identity of the Witch King. The best documented is the Isilmo theory, but there is a second thoery involving a partially-finished manuscript for a Tal something(Elerian, I believe, but the spelling seemed to change in the essay I saw.)
As for the others: At least 3 are Black Numenoreans. Any Numenorean name would be appropriate. The later "names" may have been assigned by Sauron, to suggest their new identities. By "names" I mean Herumor, Fuinor, Khamul & Gothmog. Herumor & Fuinor were listed as Sauron's BlackNumenorean "lieutenants" and are usually thought to be Nazgul. Their names are variants of "shadow lord/dark lord."
Gothmog, the lieutenant of Minas Morgul, is probably Nazgul. He may have been any race, possibly part-Numenorean. Again, it's not likely that someone would name their son after a Balrog, but it could be well within Sauron's power to assign the name to a Nazgul.
Khamul's name has been tentatively translated as "black prince" . He is always called the Black Easterling, so his cultural background is clear.
We all want to see more Nazgul fic, so HTH. |
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okay, back to the question of how to put the info up front, i would suggest a chapter one called prologue or introduction, unless someone can suggest something more witty. I can't imaqine there'd be a problem doing that, i think i've seen something similiar done in some fics here.
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| Andreth wrote: | | Sorry, this is an ongoing subject of banter for BB and I. It's just so damn fun I forget myself sometimes. |
Andreth, don't be sorry. I've been sitting here cracking up about this thread for hours. They even made me spew coke on my monitor at one point. I really need to rethink this whole snacking and using the computer concept. It doesn't seem to be working well for me lately.
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| KhazarKhum wrote: | Ringwraith Names:
There are a couple of theories about the actual identity of the Witch King. The best documented is the Isilmo theory, but there is a second thoery involving a partially-finished manuscript for a Tal something(Elerian, I believe, but the spelling seemed to change in the essay I saw.)
As for the others: At least 3 are Black Numenoreans. Any Numenorean name would be appropriate. The later "names" may have been assigned by Sauron, to suggest their new identities. By "names" I mean Herumor, Fuinor, Khamul & Gothmog. Herumor & Fuinor were listed as Sauron's BlackNumenorean "lieutenants" and are usually thought to be Nazgul. Their names are variants of "shadow lord/dark lord."
Gothmog, the lieutenant of Minas Morgul, is probably Nazgul. He may have been any race, possibly part-Numenorean. Again, it's not likely that someone would name their son after a Balrog, but it could be well within Sauron's power to assign the name to a Nazgul.
Khamul's name has been tentatively translated as "black prince" . He is always called the Black Easterling, so his cultural background is clear.
We all want to see more Nazgul fic, so HTH. |
I only actually have one left to identify. Witch King, Khamul, the other 2 Numenoreans are done, and partly fleshed out. As far as naming them is concerned, I've been having fun with that over the past few hours (for other Ringwraiths). I haven't found anything definite in the canon texts so I have taken some extreme liberties with the W-K's past identity, but I'm hoping I have some interesting chapters out of it. I'm not counting the two Haradrim mentioned in the Silm, as I reckon they were 'just' Haradrim (my opinion. I'm not saying they can't be ringwraiths, just that I'm not treating them that way). I do have some Haradrim involved though and have been using Adunaic for them, (as translations of their 'original' titles, which would be in whatever language the native Haradrim spoke).
I only have one more to find and then I can actually start getting the last details down. It's actually quite frustrating. 
I'm not using Isilmo in my fic (and have to admit I hadn't heard that theory) but I am linking the Witch King to the ruling family (in a way that is probably too complicated and will be changed). Like I said, going off the canon stuff I could find, I can't see any argument against what I'm putting forward. People will still probably find fault in the reasoning though. 
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Yavanie wrote: | | okay, back to the question of how to put the info up front, i would suggest a chapter one called prologue or introduction, unless someone can suggest something more witty. I can't imaqine there'd be a problem doing that, i think i've seen something similiar done in some fics here. |
I've played around with this and so far what I've got is a list of the major characters. Think I'd turn people off in droves if I listed every maid servant in Armenlos or whatever, but I have the main ones down. (Minus the one ringwraith I still have to track down. Pesky little Nazgul  ). I just think it would be easier for people to refer back to it if it was a separate document, so to speak.
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| ghettoelleth wrote: | | Andreth, don't be sorry. I've been sitting here cracking up about this thread for hours. They even made me spew coke on my monitor at one point. I really need to rethink this whole snacking and using the computer concept. It doesn't seem to be working well for me lately. |
Don't worry, it was an all-encompassing apology. I always feel guilty when I end up hijacking somebody's thread. I have an unusually low threshold for guilt, which I usually feel quite guilty about. I think now that BB's back we might have to revive the meaningless banter thread so we'll have a place to safely ramble.
| spaceweavil wrote: | | I only actually have one left to identify. Witch King, Khamul, the other 2 Numenoreans are done, and partly fleshed out. |
Please pardon me if this is a blond question (brought on by sleep deprivation) but does that mean you're only going to do the background on five of them? While on one hand I think it would be very interesting to have a few of the unexplained ringwraiths come from unexpected sources among the mortals, I can also see more than three of them being Numenoreans. Seems like Sauron would have preferred having servants with the heightened power inherent to the Numenoreans. Sounds you've been bitten by a very interesting plot bunny. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreth wrote: | | I think now that BB's back we might have to revive the meaningless banter thread so we'll have a place to safely ramble. |
Awwwwwwww... just for me? How sweet
I think.
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| Andreth wrote: |
| spaceweavil wrote: | | I only actually have one left to identify. Witch King, Khamul, the other 2 Numenoreans are done, and partly fleshed out. |
Please pardon me if this is a blond question (brought on by sleep deprivation) but does that mean you're only going to do the background on five of them? While on one hand I think it would be very interesting to have a few of the unexplained ringwraiths come from unexpected sources among the mortals, I can also see more than three of them being Numenoreans. Seems like Sauron would have preferred having servants with the heightened power inherent to the Numenoreans. Sounds you've been bitten by a very interesting plot bunny. |
Sorry, what I meant was I've done the ones that are specifically mentioned in proper canon-type texts. It's the ones we know nothing about that I'm working on at the moment. My plan at the moment is to have all 9 in the story. So far they are all actually coming together nicely with not much effort. Like I said, I only have one more to work out. I suppose he could be a Numenorean, but not a lord. If that's the case then I know who he is...  I have two Haradrim at the moment as well, so I could possibly swap one of them for another Numenorean if I wanted.
Thinking out loud here a bit, sorry. 
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Here's something that I kicked around for a while...
what if one of them was a woman?
After all, would you want to get between, say, Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth I, or Hatshepsut and one of those rings?
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