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Elentari
Joined: 12 May 2003
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Location: Lost in elven dreams...
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 Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 10:34 am Post subject: Elven clans- or what would a meeting with the Avari be like? |
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I am proud to present a somewhat more- ahem- serious, plot bunny. This particular specimen has been bothering me for about a week, and since it is unlikely I have the time to work on it, I decided to throw the offending being off on your laps.
And yes, I really do like you guys. No sarcasm here.
So {insert brief and not-as-accurate-as-you'd-like elvish history lesson here]; We all know that the elves awoke at Cunievenen(whatever!). And we all know that a few went to aman, a few stood somewhere in the way and a few - the avari, or the refusers- did not go at all.
Now, that's where it gets interesting.
My plot bunny is:
What would happen if by some chance the Avari were reunited with the rest of their kin? If, say, some easterling found their location per chance? or if one of the avari voluntarily faded and were sent back from the halls of waiting to get his people? How would they communicate, since the languages changed so much? would they be friendly? hostil? wary?
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miriel361
Joined: 10 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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First of all they would have time to learn one another's language - the elves have a gift for this. Secondly when the elves first met mankind they had no problem communicating because they saw pictures in their heads. So I guess, that so long as everyone was willing, it would be possible for them to speak using telepathy. (not that Tolkien called it that).
Unfortunately Tolkien doesn't tell us exactly how that telepathy works. Do they have to see one another, does it work better between family members etc. As always, you have to fill in the gaps and make us believe it!
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queenoftheshire
Joined: 03 Dec 2003
Posts: 607
Location: Catching Birds with a Pool Skimmer
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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That's pretty good, not that I will attempt to write it. I'm just not experienced enough in that part of LOTR. As you can see (note screenname) I pretty much stay near plot lines involving the Shire or at the very least hobbits. I love elves and everything I just dont know enough about them to write this.GOOD LUCK TO WHOEVER DOES!
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Irith
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 5:26 pm Post subject: Hhhhm. |
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| Good idea. too bad I have too many bunnies to kill. |
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Andreth
Joined: 24 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| miriel361 wrote: | | Unfortunately Tolkien doesn't tell us exactly how that telepathy works. Do they have to see one another, does it work better between family members etc. As always, you have to fill in the gaps and make us believe it! |
It was discussed some in Vinyar Tengwar #42 in an essay called 'Osanwe-Kenta'. This is only a small section of it cause it's about nine pages long. If you haven't seen it before and want to read it, let me know and I'll be happy to email a copy of it.
"The Incarnates have by the nature of sáma the same faculties; but their perception is dimmed by the hröa, for their fëa is united to their hröa and its normal procedure is through the hröa, which is in itself part of Eä, without thought. The dimming is indeed double; for thought has to pass one mantle of hröa and penetrate another. For this reason in Incarnates transmission of thought requires strengthening to be effective. Strengthening can be by affinity, by urgency, or by authority.
Affinity may be due to kinship; for this may increase the likeness of hröa to hröa, and so of the concerns and modes of thought of the indwelling fëar, kinship is also normally accompanied by love and sympathy. Affinity may come simply from love and friendship, which is likeness or affinity of fëa to fëa.
Urgency is imparted by great need of the "sender" (as in joy, grief or fear); and if these things are in any degree shared by the "receiver" the thought is the clearer received. Authority may also lend force to the thought of one who has a duty towards another, or of any ruler who has a right to issue commands or to seek the truth for the good of others.
These causes may strengthen the thought to pass the veils and reach a recipient mind. But that mind must remain open, and at the least passive. If, being aware that it is addressed, it then closes, no urgency or affinity will enable the sender's thought to enter." |
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