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inglor

Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 853 Location: Not here, not there, not anywhere
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:27 am Post subject: |
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I usually stick to the addage: "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" but that is just me. I usually only review when a story really moves me. When I have some criticism, I will PM the person, usually suggesting that they seek out a beta. BTW, I sometimes forget to rate it when I review.  _________________ Hi, My name is Inglor and I am a Tolkien Geek (sub-species: Silgeek)
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Viv Challenge Admin

Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 71 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:31 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it's necessary to review every story you read. That's asking a little much, especially because some people are writers more than they are readers.
But if someone has time to write three stories, she should be able to make the time to read and review at least three others. That's just minimal involvement. |
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Thuriniel
Joined: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 665 Location: Watching the purple sky fly over me ...
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| Viv wrote: | Why? Well, the fanfiction community doesn't exist to serve the egos of a few elite writers. It's a *community*. In order to receive praise and adulation, we all should really dish it out first.
By the way, I'm not talking about folks who have posted 30 or 40 reviews; I'm talking about the people who have posted 10 stories and 2 reviews. It bugs me. |
I've noticed that ... authors that beg for reviews, even warn that if they're not reviewed, they will pull out the fiction. And then they have a big 0 in their review (to others) count. I find it very frustrating and I've stopped reviewing these authors. Reviews go both ways.
I'm glad to announce that I made a goal to have 52 reviews by the end of the year ... I think I've made it to 54 and going. Go me ! I'm throwing flowers at myself !
Sometimes people are afraid to review, but once you get into it, it's quite wonderful and rewarding. Especially when the author writes back and says thank you. _________________ ~ boe an phân pedi ‘lam dadui ~
~ everyone should speak a second language ~ |
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:46 am Post subject: |
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The first non-totally-positive review I left, I was terrifed, and was waiting to get a flame in response or something, but luckily the writer (can't even remember who it was now) PMd me and struck up a discussion, and was really nice. I still get a bit nervous when I'm leaving concrit. I always try to add positive comments too, so it is not all negative. I am getting more used to it, but it doesn't help when the author's pals come on to review after you and leave scathing remarks as to your review, as if only a stupid idiot wouldn't see how perfect the story is, as happened recently. You can see why some people are apprehensive about leaving honest reviews when people go on like that. _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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inglor

Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 853 Location: Not here, not there, not anywhere
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Thuriniel wrote: |
Sometimes people are afraid to review, but once you get into it, it's quite wonderful and rewarding. Especially when the author writes back and says thank you. |
I think thanking reviewers is an important part. I try to say thanks to all the ones I get, especially if the review is more than one sentence and the person gives a few of the details they enjoyed. If they went to the effort to say something nice, I'll take the effort to thank them properly. It makes me feel in the loop when a person acknowledges my review. For instance, Marnie, Finch, and Tyellas have responded to my reviews and it is like getting a response from a celebrity. I get all fangirly when writers of that stature acknowleddge my insignificant self.
Though I can't imagine trying to say thanks to all the folks when you write something really popular like "Don't Panice" (has anyone noticed I have a thing for that fic... )
Inglor _________________ Hi, My name is Inglor and I am a Tolkien Geek (sub-species: Silgeek)
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ellisk

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 579 Location: Icon by Alassante! Wow!
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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I review as much as I can. Here's why I do: for a long time I lurked here and other archives and read like mad. Then I joined and posted my first LotR story and got my first review and I was amazed how much impact that had on my writing of the fic. I have posted x-files and star wars fan fic for years, but in archives where you can't give/get reviews (just hit counts). I was just astonished how those reviews made me feel and react to my own story.
So now I review as much as I can. Even if all I say is, 'I'm enjoying your story.' It lets the author know someone is appreciating their hard work. If I really love a story, I'll try to review every chapter.
I don't really feel like the review is necessarily a place where I must find something to offer advice on. In fact, if I have advice to give, I'm much more likely to give it in a PM (unless it's something simple like spelling or formatting). I think it's just nice to acknowledge people's hard work if I like it.
I do have one pet peeve on this site though and that's people who give a one star rating and then no review--that's just harsh IMO. If you give one star (needs work) then you should leave a review and explain what, in your opinion, needs work. When I see a story with a one star rating and no review, I feel absolutely compelled to read it and offer advice for the sake of the poor author who worked hard and may not understand why they got one star.
Those are my thoughts. _________________ It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye.
Ultima ratio regum (The Last Argument of Kings)--engraved on all French cannons by order of Louis XIV |
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ellisk wrote: | I review as much as I can. Here's why I do: for a long time I lurked here and other archives and read like mad. Then I joined and posted my first LotR story and got my first review and I was amazed how much impact that had on my writing of the fic. I have posted x-files and star wars fan fic for years, but in archives where you can't give/get reviews (just hit counts). I was just astonished how those reviews made me feel and react to my own story.
So now I review as much as I can. Even if all I say is, 'I'm enjoying your story.' It lets the author know someone is appreciating their hard work. If I really love a story, I'll try to review every chapter.
I don't really feel like the review is necessarily a place where I must find something to offer advice on. In fact, if I have advice to give, I'm much more likely to give it in a PM (unless it's something simple like spelling or formatting). I think it's just nice to acknowledge people's hard work if I like it.
I do have one pet peeve on this site though and that's people who give a one star rating and then no review--that's just harsh IMO. If you give one star (needs work) then you should leave a review and explain what, in your opinion, needs work. When I see a story with a one star rating and no review, I feel absolutely compelled to read it and offer advice for the sake of the poor author who worked hard and may not understand why they got one star.
Those are my thoughts. |
It does make a lot of difference getting a review. I always used to write for myself and then later for another archive, which wasn't geared for feedback. You could leave an email for comments, but rarely did. (I think out of 11 or 12 stories I have on there, I've had about 5 emails maybe). But since coming here it does alter the way I write. I've had comments in reviews that have helped tighten up my writing and that I still think about when I'm writing new stuff.
I don't know though if I place a bit too much weight on the number of reviews coming in. I certainly wouldn't say 'unless you review, I don't update', but if a story gets very few reviews, or suddenly stops getting reviews, I do think 'have I changed something or lost something that might mean some readers aren't interested, or is there something putting people off?'
About the one star thing, I also have a thing about low-rated stories. I like to have a read to see what the rater was on about, and if I do read, I always try to leave a review. I also have a thing for stories with 0 reviews. I try to have a look and leave something. I've had a lot of ratings drop recently, losing stars like nobody's business, and I wish someone would leave a review as well to say what's wrong, as you can't fix it if you can't see the break But I also understand that the rating thing is meant to leave people who might be a bit apprehensive about reviews a way to give an anonymous opinion. _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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Viv Challenge Admin

Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 71 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| ellisk wrote: | I do have one pet peeve on this site though and that's people who give a one star rating and then no review--that's just harsh IMO. If you give one star (needs work) then you should leave a review and explain what, in your opinion, needs work. When I see a story with a one star rating and no review, I feel absolutely compelled to read it and offer advice for the sake of the poor author who worked hard and may not understand why they got one star.
Those are my thoughts. |
Sometimes I rate stories with one star and then PM the author. When stories have significant problems, I don't feel comfortable blurting to the world something like, "Dude, you misspelled 'the' in your title!" |
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ghettoelleth

Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Posts: 1804
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm afraid I'm guilty of reading and not reviewing. I just figured, I have not posted anything yet, and I am painfully new to the whole fanfic genre, does anyone really care what I think? Man, I am daft. Apologies to all those whose stories I read a while back and am barely reviewing. The only thing I should say though is, I enjoy all aspects of fanfic. I am in awe of those of you who take a little mentioned character or event from HoME or Sil and flesh it out into a story that makes you realize a characters motivations or intention. I also love to read a good angst or love story. Especially if the OC is well written. Humor that is humrous, I absolutely adore. These are seperate entities altogether and I always try to read them in the spirit in which they are intended. That said, I don't think I've ever read a "bad" story in OSA. I've given up on a couple because of beta problems, but not because I wasn't enjoying them. Ergo, other than suggesting a beta assist, I've never given a bad review. If I have a suggestion, I will pm the author. That said, I'm off to review and read some new stuff. Sorry folks. I will never read without reviewing again. That's my NYs res. for 2005. |
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Viv Challenge Admin

Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 71 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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Ghetto, you really shouldn't reward a girl for whinging.
But I am glad you feel confident enough to review. You opinion is just as valid as anyone else's! And you're certainly a member of the community. Reviewing is just another way to get involved. |
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JaneDoe
Joined: 19 Nov 2003 Posts: 0 Location: My own little world
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm reading a lot less fanfic than I used to. My time is lately preoccupied with RL concerns and my own original works, so it's a bit difficult to be deeply involved in a community. In addition, I tend not to be very thorough in my reviews, and with so much effort going into reading and writing a piece, I'm only going to do that for pieces that move me in some way or do something I haven't seen before. While commitment to the fan fiction community is all well and good, it's not always feasible to try to satisfy both one's own creative development and someone else's. |
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Ningloreth

Joined: 31 Dec 2003 Posts: 39 Location: Manchester, UK
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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In the last year I have posted seven stories and left only four reviews. (And a handful elsewhere).
It never occurred to me that anyone might see that as a problem. Some people review a lot, some people don't review at all. I thought I was about normal!
OK. So why haven't I left many reviews?
Before I started writing—that's easy—I didn't feel qualified to review. I didn't have a computer at home, so I couldn't actually do anything more than lurk, anyway, but I wouldn't have reviewed if I could have. I was far too shy. And I imagine a lot of OSA readers feel the same.
Since I started writing—that's more complicated and very personal. Once I started I found I couldn't stop (because I've been suffering from depression for some time and have found that writing about Legolas works when medication doesn't). I'm a slow writer but I do have some regular readers, to whom I have a responsibility, and I have found it almost impossible to read other fiction (fan or otherwise) at the same time as writing. I've also stopped watching TV and going to the cinema...
Of course, if I'm not reading, I can't review. The result is more stories than reviews. It's not intended as a slight. It's just a question of capacity. At the moment I don't have it.
One of the reviews I did leave (for someone whose work I've admired for a very long time but had never dared to contact before) got a similar response: she thanked me and apologised, saying that she couldn't read my stuff because we both write about Legolas and she tried not to read anyone else's 'take' on Legolas whilst she was in the middle of a story.
Disappointing, but fair enough.
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ilistine

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 139 Location: In the cottage nextdoor to Imedhuir Hamgeredis
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| inglor wrote: | For instance, Marnie, Finch, and Tyellas have responded to my reviews and it is like getting a response from a celebrity. I get all fangirly when writers of that stature acknowleddge my insignificant self.
Inglor |
Feels left out of fangirl status!
I am terrible, I read the story and all the while I plan the review I am going to post, then either time slips away and I have left the reading unfinished or I practically fall asleep on my keyboard and hubby logs me off and sends me to bed.
I try to review everything I read, though thanking my reviewers I always forget to do. So am gonna have to remember to do that ASAP, if I don't fall asleep before hand.
Keek _________________ One must never forget:
Teehee the bouncing Elf!!!
(That is Rumil if you didn't know)
Ilistine = Istoiell's scribe, recounting her sordid tales in the Village of Imedhuir! Naughty Eomer, has a secret. Oh my what could it be? |
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ghettoelleth

Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Posts: 1804
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Ilistine, this is so off topic, but that is THE coolest avatar I've ever seen |
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ilistine

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 139 Location: In the cottage nextdoor to Imedhuir Hamgeredis
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| ghettoelleth wrote: | | Ilistine, this is so off topic, but that is THE coolest avatar I've ever seen |
Why thank you my fellow CA buddy, enjoying the weather yet?
I made it meself!
Though the best avatar evah is Viv's "Uncle Worship"
BTW call me Keeks
oh and sorry we happen to be off topic but come on how often does the keeks get a compliment? I deem this being off topic allowed! _________________ One must never forget:
Teehee the bouncing Elf!!!
(That is Rumil if you didn't know)
Ilistine = Istoiell's scribe, recounting her sordid tales in the Village of Imedhuir! Naughty Eomer, has a secret. Oh my what could it be? |
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