| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
DarkElfChilde
Joined: 23 Aug 2004
Posts: 1013
Location: I'm located somewhere
|
 Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:17 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
Hmm...I wonder what she'll think of the 'Gap' of Rohan? 
_________________
[ ] |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Lenale
Joined: 14 Aug 2004
Posts: 1
Location: Netherlands
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Alassante wrote: | One thing that really gets me and I don't understand where it came from - what is the deal with the pregnant male elves? Is that in a book I did not read? It has been mentioned on this thread but can someone explain to me that?
|
Like DarkElfChilde implies, it isn't in the books. Mpreg is a fanfiction thing, also existing in the Harry Potter-fandom, and doubtlessly in others, too.
In LotR-fanfiction it is almost exclusively for male elves, although I do not doubt somewhere in the dark vaults of the internet there is a story where Merry or Pippin got bumped... please feel free not to mention the url to me if you know of one.
In the Potter stories, the most common character that falls victim to this is Remus Lupin, or Harry himself.
I think the, for lack of a better word, 'writers' of these pieces of fanfiction choose men who show their feelings and project them into women... a kind of self-insertion. Now they can write about their own feelings without having to become jealous at a female character, or something like that. And it's a very easy way to get to angst.
I'm afraid I don't have a lot of respect for these writers. I think I will read some of the stories tonight and see if, apart from the physical impossibilities, they're any good 
For science! *puts on ScienceGirl lycra suit, WITH cape*
--- edited: couldn't keep this gem of a summary from you
Severus is found out by Voldemort. Harry trys desperatly to save him and when he does what happens between the two. Is there something they are hidding from each other? SSHP mpreg --
_________________
"Look! Among the nerds I found an actual girl!"
-- Triumph, the insult comic dog |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Alassante
Virtual Village Mod
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Posts: 20
Location: Hitchhiking to Rivendell
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| DarkElfChilde wrote: | | Hmm...I wonder what she'll think of the 'Gap' of Rohan? |
You are so funny!!
People are starting to stare at me because I am actually LOL. That's okay though - people always stare at me. It could have something to do with my pointed ears, red hair, full overflowing breasts, and seductive mouth. Wait..... where am I again??
_________________
Nagzul #2 - The Nazgul of Shmoove
Crucio! Because stupidity should be painful!
http://alikat7.livejournal.com/ |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
GypsieRose
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Posts: 105
Location: Illinois, USA
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Alassante wrote: | | I think you can get away with cousins more so than twin brothers. I mean back in the day didn't all Kings and Queens marry within the family to keep the bloodline pure or something like that. Maybe I am remembering wrong - I flunked world history. |
It isn't done in Middle-Earth, though. Anything closer than a second cousin is considered incest in the books.
| SpaceWeavil wrote: | | I take it I need to put a warning about incest on my story if two cousins are going to end up together for a while? |
Quite a few people today in the modern western world are squicked by the idea of first cousins as a "couple", so it probably wouldn't hurt to put a cousin-sex warning on a story here that features it. My 2 cents.
--Rose
Last edited by GypsieRose on Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:44 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
BittenBuggy
Joined: 27 Dec 2003
Posts: 2108
Location: Busy Being the Queen Of Everything.. And Trying to Catch the Yoda-Copter
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Bah - already covered.
_________________
-The Queen of Everything - so dubed by Aerin
-"My ultimate fantasy is to entice a man to my bedroom, put a gun to his head and say, 'Make babies or die'."
-"The Pope! how many divisions has he got?" - Stalin
Last edited by BittenBuggy on Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:46 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
SpaceWeavil
Joined: 27 May 2004
Posts: 23
Location: Looking at shiny things
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| GypsieRose wrote: | | Alassante wrote: | | I think you can get away with cousins more so than twin brothers. I mean back in the day didn't all Kings and Queens marry within the family to keep the bloodline pure or something like that. Maybe I am remembering wrong - I flunked world history. |
It isn't done in Middle-Earth, though. Anything closer than a second cousin is considered incest in the books.
Quite a few people today in the modern western world are squicked by the idea of first cousins as a "couple" too, so it probably wouldn't hurt to put a cousin-sex warning on a story here that features it. My 2 cents.
--Rose |
Thanks. It actually didn't occur to me because I am so far off that part of the story at the moment (My Witch King is still a teenager so far), but the woman is actually a cousin. I knew it would be a frowned-upon thing in ME, and that actually is a part of the plotline for a while, but I hadn't actually thought about warnings to tell the truth. Too busy trying to figure out what to do with my bloomin' characters.
_________________
Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
GypsieRose
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Posts: 105
Location: Illinois, USA
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| BittenBuggy wrote: | | Actually, marrying first cousins wasnt considered incest, it was just rarely done... possibly because its squicky However gross though, it wasnt forbidden. |
If it wasn't forbidden, then why couldn't Maeglin go after Idril? The rules seem more strict for him than for Ar-Pharazon and Miriel.
--Rose |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
SpaceWeavil
Joined: 27 May 2004
Posts: 23
Location: Looking at shiny things
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| GypsieRose wrote: | | BittenBuggy wrote: | | Actually, marrying first cousins wasnt considered incest, it was just rarely done... possibly because its squicky However gross though, it wasnt forbidden. |
If it wasn't forbidden, then why couldn't Maeglin go after Idril? The rules seem more strict for him than for Ar-Pharazon and Miriel.
--Rose |
I was going more off the Maeglin and Idril model, and the LACE. I still haven't gotten into the anti-elven phase of Numenorean history with my story. Although their contact with Gil-galad et al is declining a little at this point, there are still elves coming from Tol Eressea, and in a couple of hundred years the War of Elves and Sauron is going to happen, so I figured the 'Eldar model' would still be pretty well used at this time.
With my lot though, there are other reasons why this little affair is not to be publicised, besides them being cousins, but the blood relationship doesn't help 
_________________
Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Viv
Challenge Admin
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Posts: 71
Location: Texas
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Oh, another word that seems overly en vogue in fic: "grace." As a verb. You know, as in the ubiquitous "A [insert lengthy string of adjectives] smile graced her face." Full marks for avoiding the nasty verb "to be," but "grace" is way overused. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Alassante
Virtual Village Mod
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Posts: 20
Location: Hitchhiking to Rivendell
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:50 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Can't the twins be prankster slacker guys when they aren't hot warrior twins?? I mean who is to say what elves do in their down time. I mean I would think after 1000 years or so they would have to do something to entertain themselves. If you shoot a bow for 1000 years - you gotta be good at it so hey why practice when you can party?
On another note - what is the 'canon' that you keep talking about? I know - dumb question but I am full of dumb questions so every once in awhile they spill out! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Alassante
Virtual Village Mod
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Posts: 20
Location: Hitchhiking to Rivendell
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
OK DUH!!! The response about the elves was in reference to the bottom comments on page one NOT the last page.
_________________
Nagzul #2 - The Nazgul of Shmoove
Crucio! Because stupidity should be painful!
http://alikat7.livejournal.com/ |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Viv
Challenge Admin
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Posts: 71
Location: Texas
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:59 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Alassante wrote: | | Can't the twins be prankster slacker guys when they aren't hot warrior twins?? I mean who is to say what elves do in their down time. I mean I would think after 1000 years or so they would have to do something to entertain themselves. If you shoot a bow for 1000 years - you gotta be good at it so hey why practice when you can party? |
Well, from canon all we know about them is that when their mother was kidnapped by orcs and tortured to the point where she was no longer capable of living in Middle-earth, the twins rode out and rescued her. They've been killing orcs (out of vengeance) ever since. In every mention in LoTR, they're deadly serious awfully pretty killing machines.
From LoTR, I always guessed that in their downtime they... killed more orcs, or sharpened their swords or something.
| Quote: | | On another note - what is the 'canon' that you keep talking about? I know - dumb question but I am full of dumb questions so every once in awhile they spill out! |
This is a tricky question. When I say "canon" I usually mean LoTR, Hobbit, and Silm. Even though the Silm is, technically, Chris Tolkien's best guess of what his father intended.
A lot of people throw in stuff from the HoME series and Tolkien's published letters, and all of that is viable information but way too much for me to keep straight in my tiny little brain. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
VanatheEverYoung
Joined: 22 Aug 2004
Posts: 0
Location: USA
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Alassante wrote: | | On another note - what is the 'canon' that you keep talking about? I know - dumb question but I am full of dumb questions so every once in awhile they spill out! |
"Canon" refers to the facts Tolkien (J.R.R and sometimes Christopher) stated in various books about Middle-earth. In fanfic, it mostly means chracter traits. Such as Thranduil is competent, powerful, sometimes stubborn and rash, but not an abusive parent.
_________________
 Vána, the Ever-Young
"All flowers spring as she passes and open if she glances upon them; and all birds sing at her coming." |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Texasgirl
Joined: 18 Oct 2004
Posts: 895
Location: Texas (no shit, sherlock)
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| SpaceWeavil wrote: | | Texasgirl wrote: | | Alassante wrote: | Orcs and Urek-Hai sexually assaulting someone. Is it just me or did it seem more like the orcs were into killing? I saw them stab and bite people but they were stabbing them with swords not 'their throbbing sword' and were not biting for sexual pleasure. They like to bite and eat 'man flesh' not rape them. Once again, I only saw the movies not read the books so maybe in the books they do that but I have a hard time believing that they did. And once again, nine times out of ten - Legolas is the one getting sexually assaulted by these villians. It is a good thing he is immortal. He needs time to have all of this sex with all of these various creatures!!!
|
celebrian, (galadriel's daughter, the twins and arwen's mother, as well as elrond's wife,) was raped by orcs - hence, the vengful twins, the sober elrond, and the lack of a Lady of Imladris |
We know she was 'tormented' by orcs, but at no point does it say in canon texts that she was raped. Just thought I would put that in. |
are you sure?...hmm....maybe i have it wrong  i thought it said in one of the appendixes....and mould tolkein, beinf an oxford professor in a time where things like "raped" weren't said, wouldn't he rather say "torment" instead?
but since jess knows a lot more on the subject than i do.....we shall agree to torment 
like the new avvie, jess!
TG
_________________
Damn, I love my home - except for the fact the nearest bit of civilization is forty miles away.
*Other co-founder of the "Howdy!" committee*
*Other co-founder of the official foundation* |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
SpaceWeavil
Joined: 27 May 2004
Posts: 23
Location: Looking at shiny things
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:28 pm Post subject: |
|
|
What I've said there is from the appendices. Personally I reckon if Tolkien wanted to say she was raped, he could have done it in a less ambiguous way. Ravished, for example, was the one I've come across in literature from that time quite a lot. That's not to say that you can't write a fic where she was raped (though I probably wouldn't read it. Getting a bit fed up of rape related stuff to tell the truth) and be perfectly justified in your reasoning, but that isn't what it says in the text. So if I write a story where she's merely tortured, I am equally right, if you know what I mean, because it doesn't say either way. It's just your interpretation of the text.
_________________
Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
Live Journal Feed
