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Alassante
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK you guys are depressing me. Half of the stuff I have written that is on the other sites is wrong.

First off - Elrohir and Elladan - in my stories they are not that serious (not slacker pranksters but laid back guys). I had no idea what they were really like.

Second - I found out that Mirkwood AKA Eryn Lasgalen is not like Rivendell with buildings but in fact in caves. Who would have thought that they would use caves in the middle of the forest???


I am going to have to throw out anything I have written thus far. Or I guess I could keep it at the adult fan fiction site. They know less than I do about LOTR. But seriously, I feel like an idiot now.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alassante wrote:
OK you guys are depressing me. Half of the stuff I have written that is on the other sites is wrong. ... I am going to have to throw out anything I have written thus far. Or I guess I could keep it at the adult fan fiction site. They know less than I do about LOTR. But seriously, I feel like an idiot now.


Nooooo! Please don't feel down or bummed or like you have done anything wrong or substandard! These are all nitpicks from people who have read a lot (way too much?) fanfiction. Canon stuff can *always* be worked around. Often, it's enough for canon-centric readers if the writer just adds a little note at the bottom saying, for instance, "I found out after this story was written that in the Book of Lost Tales, Idril was not a delicate flower at all but in fact dressed up in armor and kicked balrog ass. Sorry that my account mis-characterizes Idril as a wimpy dork!"

I know, because I've had to write that exact disclaimer (or something like it). And folks have, by and large, been very forgiving. They're just proud of me that I bothered to look it up after the fact. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't speak for everyone but I'd reckon a lot of people feel that way. But don't throw out what you've written. When I first wanted to write LOTR fiction, it was years since I'd read the books, I hadn't read the Silm or HoME, and the original stuff I wrote was so full of holes that it could go to a fancy dress party as a string vest. Very Happy My first instinct, as I started researching and found out all the stuff I had plotted couldn't actually happen any more, was to delete the stuff and never look at it again. But I didn't (Through sheer laziness). I just took a deep breath and thought, right, with what I know now, what sort of story am I going to write?

Then a few months back I was routing through my hard drive and I came across that old story, and I looked at it and thought, well the canon is iffy to say the least, and the plot is dodgier than a three pound note, but some of the dialogue and characterisations are okay. So I did a bit of salvage work, and one of the characters is now about to appear in my Witch King epic.

So moral of that long-winded story is, don't throw the stuff away. Take out of the public view if you feel uncomfortable with people noticing the canon-clashes, or whatever, but you never know when you might find something in it you can use. Or something might work as an original fiction. I think everyone's still learning here and one of the great things about this site is the discussion forum where you can throw up canon questions and start up discussions there. Cool

Actually though, despite that little tale, my PC died recently so I lost that old story anyway. But the moral still stands Laughing

But seriously. I knew nothing when I started this. I still know nothing compared to people like Andreth and Inglor and all. But learning is as much fun as writing sometimes Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Hug Don't feel bad. I don't believe the intention of this thread was to make you feel stupid. Look at it this way ... you didn't know, but now you do. The uninformed choices you made are all correctable. Just think of rewrites as further editting. If you need help with any aspect of your fic, just ask on the forums. Everyone here is eager to help you improve your writing in any way they can.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jess...you're right. Embarassed do'ya think i can blame this one on the many twin-fics? Crying or Very sad no, guess not.

okay...so when the orcs were torturing her, do you tihnk they wanted to make her an orc - or were they just doing that for fun?
and DID the twins come and rescue her?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Texasgirl wrote:
okay...so when the orcs were torturing her, do you tihnk they wanted to make her an orc - or were they just doing that for fun?
and DID the twins come and rescue her?


"In 2509 Celebrian wife of Elrond was journeying to Lorien when she was waylaid in the Redhorn Pass, and her escort being scattered by the sudden assault of the Orcs, she was seized and carried off. She was pursued and resced by Elladan and Elrohir, but not before she had suffered torment and had received a poisoned wound. She was brought back to Imladris, and though healed in body by Elrond, lost all delight in Middle-earth, and the next year went to the Havens and passed over the Sea."

- ROTK, Appendix A, p. 1019

As to whether the Orcs tormented Celebrian for the fun of it or not, who knows exactly. However it would be beyond their power to create other Orcs in that manner. Morgoth was able to do that and he kidnapped and tortured some of the first Elves in ME to create the race of Orcs.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahhh...thank you for the clarification, sindhote
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