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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay back to the Blue Istari, where I needed help and why I asked those certain questions.

I am actually working on a fic dealing with those two wayward chaps the Blue Istari also known collectively as the Ithryn Luin. Formerly known as Alatar and Pallando respectively before Tolkein changed their names to Morinehtar and Romestamo. Now this is where I make my point. If indeed these Istari were sent to the East ...to circumvent Sauron: to bring help to the few tribes of men that had rebelled from Melkor-worship, to stir-up rebellion...and after his first fall to search out his hiding (in which they failed) and to cause dissension and disarray among the dark East...

That information I recieved from http://www.lotrlibrary.com/agesofarda/bluewizards.asp and the rest from the forums which I'll state below.

Now my fic deals with a lot of information concerning the East. For when the Istari went there, Orome told them they would have to remain there for Alatar was the one Orome had chosen to go to the East and had brought Pallando with him as his companion. That being the case, it is possible that many of their adventures would include much to do with the darker side of magic and manipulation of knowledge. They would need to know much of the language of the East and indeed see, hear exactly what happens to the lands of Arda. I figure that I'll start my fic with some "Easterling" language, something similar to Andunaic with mixtures of the Black Speech within it, that one of the Wizards write upon some parchment or other about their various adventures. Considering how long Orome put them upon Arda, they would then wander until their task is done and the time they have is quite...shall we say long.

Now 6, 000 plus years later after the War of the Ring, what if both of them come across a little girl in their woods and in such a time would discover that they set off a chain of events that cannot be stopped. They realize that this little girl is the child of a couple within a group of a 'wiccan' coven that unwittingly deal with 'black magic' with which one of the Istari, I'm thinking Pallando, is seduced by. Ten years later, darkness is once again spreading the earth and Alatar along with the child from the couple are plunged into a journey to finding a trinket more deadlier than the Ring.

Yadda, yadda, yadda. I'm working out the bugs. I just needed that info to tie in with the Blue Istari, the East and about your theory Vana.

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Now, for my most dramtic leap ... from Harad to Mesopotamia. Tolkien said in Letters that the time between the downfall of Barad-dur and modern day (I can only assume mid-20th century) was about 6,000 years. 5,000 years ago, Mesopotamia is established. Tolkien also said that Mordor was at about the same latitude as Ancient Troy, so Turkey-ish (and Minas Tirith was at the latitude as Florence.) So, if Mordor is around Turkey, Rhun in east (Georgia, Armeia) and Harad is south of Turkey (Syria, Iraq, Iran). That's Mesopotamia. As you said, Black Speech is based on ancient Babylonian and Sumerian. Those are major languages in Mesopotamia. And, there is only a 1,000 year difference between Haradrim and Mesopotamians.


I would think that Tolkein would have formed the West of Middle Earth in the fashion of Britain. I was looking at various maps in the handy world Atlas and saw that there were many possible places that Tolkein could have based the NW by one was near Alaska, look really closely and you can see the curve of the isles and I know for a fact that there's quite a few mountain ranges in that area. If you could picture Iceland in between the little gulf area between I think Northern Britain and Denmark? I'm not really sure but look at a good map and find where Iceland is and just move it with your mind and picture where it could have been before the huge tectonic plates changed stuff. Turkey? Hmm, I always thought of Mordor sinking into the sea sort of like Atlantis.

Anywho....I think I went off topic. Surprised Okay, I'm done my ranting but you see why I asked those questions right? I gather.... Crying or Very sad I think I'm done now. Embarassed

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