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SpaceWeavil
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| Viv wrote: | | SpaceWeavil wrote: | | But how does one respond to this? I mean, I don't want to start a slanging match in the review forum, or anywhere else for that matter, but how does one politely let that person know that what they said was offensive,or does one not do that? |
Report MaidenGreenleaf's review to the admins. They might be interested in seeing it.
Yeah, that kind of response is exactly why I started this forum thread. Reviewers shouldn't be attacked or rebuked by other reviewers. That stuff goes on all the time at ff.net, but it's not constructive, it's discourgaging to reviewers who put thought into writing reviews, and, in my opinion, it's just flat out rude. |
It's almost funny, that turning up two seconds after I've been discussing the very thing here. I just don't see the point of behaviour like that, especially when the comments aren't even negative. That's both times it's happened to me, the person's gone all defensive over a positive review. 
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krazykataave
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Personally if there is a request in a story for feedback/review i try to give it as quickly and constructively as possible. There are several topics that i will never comment on, even if they do ask because i'm not comfortable with the subject material.
But leaving reviews seems to be good for the writer and that's the point, the reviews are for the writer - not other reviewers. I think it's up to the author of the story to read the reviews and then take the ones that can help them along and use them.
Authors need to stand up for their reviewers too and delete attack responses. It might take some extra time, but if they are nice enough to review then the writer should be kind enough to keep the reviewer from getting attacked.
Just my 2 cents worth
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SpaceWeavil
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| Thuriniel wrote: | I'm sorry ... I keep reading all these plots about Evil Vampire Elrond and then my eyes fall on Space Weavil's avvie ...
... and the giggles start  . |
The way people are talking, you'd think I had a silly avatar or something.... 
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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 Poor Spacey.
Reviewers like that ruin the feedback process for their favorite writers. I can see why reviewers would be reluctant to be honest. It's a shame. At least we have admins who care.
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SpaceWeavil
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| krazykataave wrote: | Personally if there is a request in a story for feedback/review i try to give it as quickly and constructively as possible. There are several topics that i will never comment on, even if they do ask because i'm not comfortable with the subject material.
But leaving reviews seems to be good for the writer and that's the point, the reviews are for the writer - not other reviewers. I think it's up to the author of the story to read the reviews and then take the ones that can help them along and use them.
Authors need to stand up for their reviewers too and delete attack responses. It might take some extra time, but if they are nice enough to review then the writer should be kind enough to keep the reviewer from getting attacked.
Just my 2 cents worth
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I don't think the author can delete reviews on this site. I think it's just the reviewer and admins who can do that, but yes it would be nice if authors reported those sorts. Thing is though I think a lot of that nonsense is down to a sort of 'buddy' system in the first place, where the author's friends think they're doing the author a favour by going on and acting like that.
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dolarabee
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Well, that's why there's a link on the very page, isn't there? Report abusive review... click here... I mean what more can we say?
And no, the author cannot delete someone else's review(s) but his/her own. But if we're notified of the problem, we'll check it out and take action. Doesn't mean we'll agree with all parties though.
And I wanted to say that to expect reviewers to go back to stories they've read and already reviewed just to check if a typo or reference or choice of word or whatever has been corrected in the fic so they can then amend their review is a bit much. But that's not the admins' opinion, but my own. I'm the the type of reader/reviewer that when it's done, it's done. I don't go back to check on an author to see if he/she gave time of day to my review and how fast. So I guess I better apologise now if I've ever left such a review to someone...
Maybe reporting typos and such would be better done by PM, so they don't stay there as a review, even when the work's been corrected?
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Robbie
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Personally, I don't think it's nice naming and shaming in the forum. But as you have, I'm going to make this reponse here anyway.
SW - it took two clicks from your post to actually work out who / what you were talking about. Comments like "I mean for goodness' sake, if the woman..." is equally belittling as her posts. Is that intended to help? Her review may just be badly thought out in wording (three words injected in the review actually changes it's tone completely) - your response here is a direct attack without knowing if she is being rude or simply ignorant.
Viv - you actually named her. Stuck her in the stocks for everyone to throw rotten tomatoes
I get very annoyed with some of the rude e-mails we get to support and often might reply in a rather sarcastic manner (rude) but people just don't know better.
C'mon guys - you two should know better. You know our support e-mail address. We always try to respond fairly. Make our life easier.
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Viv
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Robbie wrote: | | Viv - you actually named her. Stuck her in the stocks for everyone to throw rotten tomatoes |
There is nothing private about this. She was not hesitant to address her reprimand review directly to Spaceweavil. You know, so folks could throw rotten tomatoes.
But yes, it was nasty of me. I'm sorry for being nasty. Bad me. |
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dolarabee
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| Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| Viv wrote: | | There is nothing private about this. She was not hesitant to address her reprimand review directly to Spaceweavil. |
So stoop to her level?
We're all agreeing she did wrong in the reviews section so how can you expect the same behaviour to be seen as right and acceptable in the forum, where more people are likely to read it?
Just a thought. But then again it just looks like the admins just sank to that level as well. Oh, well. Us bad. Apologies.
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SpaceWeavil
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| Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:52 am Post subject: |
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I also apologise, and be assured it won't happen again.
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Hand-shakes all-round, then  . Amazing how easily it just generates bad feeling when no-one intends it to.
You know where to get hold of us next time, and as you know we're following through quiety and politely as we always do behind the scenes.
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