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Alassante Virtual Village Mod

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 20 Location: Hitchhiking to Rivendell
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:09 am Post subject: Has anyone read the following Tolkien Books? |
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I am thinking of purchasing more Tolkien books but I do not want crappy books that are way over my head and I cannot read (I saw one that was for thesis papers). I want something that tells me more about the characters and their stories etc. Like the story of Glorfindel or Thrandruil. I would like it in a language and level that us common people can understand. (I have a terrible time reading Silmarillion without flipping back and forth to the index) I am not a total moron but I do prefer language that I can understand rather than PHd level!!
Here are some I have found that I might be interested in but I wanted to know if anyone else has read them and find them helpful and easy to understand.
**Tolkien : The Illustrated Encyclopedia
**The Tolkien Companion
**J. R. R. Tolkien's Sanctifying Myth : Understanding Middle-Earth
**The Origins of Tolkien's Middle-Earth for Dummies
**Tolkien & the Silmarillion
**Tolkein Reader
** Tolkien's Ring
**Tolkien's World
**Tolkien : A Celebration Collected Writings on a Literary Legacy 3
**THE COMPLETE TOLKIEN COMPANION
**Tolkien and the Lord of the Rings : A Guide to Middle-Earth
**J.R.R. Tolkien Companion and Guide
**Unfinished Tales: The Lost Lore of Middle-earth
**The Book of Lost Tales 2 (The History of Middle-Earth - Volume 2)
**Histories of Middle (all volume) - I have heard that only certain ones are any good. _________________ Nagzul #2 - The Nazgul of Shmoove
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:35 am Post subject: |
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I like Unfinished Tales, (by JRR Tolkien) for info on the War of the Elves and Sauron, and there is some stuff about Thranduil in there too. Also People of Middle Earth (one of the History of ME series by Christopher Tolkien) has a few essays about Glorfindel.
As for guides and stuff, I have found it's best to avoid anything penned by David Day if you're looking for accuracy. Some of the illustrations are nice, but the facts are wacky at times. My favourite reference thing I have is The Complete Tolkien Companion by JEA Tyler. _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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sindohte

Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 1621 Location: Rubbing up against an Elf
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Middle Earth for Dummies is a good resource for fast facts. I have to second everything that SpaceWeavil said, esp. about David Day. Avoid anything written by him He has facts included in his writing that I have not seen listed in anyone else's books, while other facts are just plain wrong. _________________ abandon thought, and let the dream descend... |
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Viv Challenge Admin

Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 71 Location: Texas
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Ditto on the general goodness of Tyler's book and the utter badness of David Day. Also, anything edited by Chris Tolkien (Silm, Unfinished Tales, etc.) is good stuff, if a little dense. Keep in mind that all the Chris Tolkien stuff was pieced together from notes and early drafts, so a lot of it contradicts LoTR and The Hobbit (which makes for some lively "canon" discussions).
I'd also recommend Robert Foster's Complete Guide to Middle-earth and *especially* Karen Wynn Fonstad's The Atlas of Middle-earth. That's the single most helpful fic-writing resrouce I've found, well worth the price.
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SpaceWeavil

Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 23 Location: Looking at shiny things
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Viv wrote: | Ditto on the general goodness of Tyler's book and the utter badness of David Day. Also, anything edited by Chris Tolkien (Silm, Unfinished Tales, etc.) is good stuff, if a little dense. Keep in mind that all the Chris Tolkien stuff was pieced together from notes and early drafts, so a lot of it contradicts LoTR and The Hobbit (which makes for some lively "canon" discussions).
I'd also recommend Karen Wynn Fonstad's The Atlas of Middle-earth. That's the single most helpful fic-writing resrouce I've found, well worth the price. |
Oh yeah, forgot about that one, despite the fact it's lying open at the moment with various peoples and their locations pencilled in all over it for this Witch King thing Very good book. _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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JayofLasgalen
Joined: 16 Aug 2003 Posts: 83 Location: Devon, England
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:25 am Post subject: |
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I agree generally about both Day and Tyler - but even Tyler can get the facts wrong. He claims that Elladan and Elrohir became mortal, when in fact we don't know what they chose. David Day gets that bit right.
As well as the other recommendations, I have 'Journeys of Frodo' by Barbara Strachey - like 'Atlas of Middle Earth' it's useful for writing stories when you need journey times or landscape details. 'Origins of Middle Earth for Dummies' is brilliant, too.
Jay |
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Alassante Virtual Village Mod

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 20 Location: Hitchhiking to Rivendell
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| JayofLasgalen wrote: | 'Origins of Middle Earth for Dummies' is brilliant, too.
Jay |
I think this is more my speed!! Does it go through the whole thing from beginning to end. _________________ Nagzul #2 - The Nazgul of Shmoove
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Gypsum
Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 16 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:57 am Post subject: reading recs |
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Unfinished Tales is awesome.
So are wide swaths of HoME, but you have to like the Silmarillion. A lot. If you've not read it or didn't like it that much, most of HoME will bore you to death.
I haven't yet done anything more than skim Lost Tales. It has the earliest earliest versions of stories like the Fall of Gondolin and Beren and Luthien that are just vaguely recognizable as those stories.
Morgoth's Ring, People's of M-e, and War of the Jewels all have bits and pieces and various evolutions of what eventually wound up in the published Silmarillion. They also have other interesting pieces in them, like LACE, the Shibboleth of Feanor, Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth, etc. etc. I think they are very cool.
Have not read Lost Road or the Shaping of Middle-earth.
The remaining HoME volumes are about the Lord of the Rings and have earlier versions of that in them. |
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Viv Challenge Admin

Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Posts: 71 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Considering that you have some elflings and elf marriages going on in your stories, you might find Morgoth's Ring interesting. Isn't Vanelosse part human? There's a lot of info in that book about how these things happen, and the difference between Men and Elves. Yes, it does include the infamous LACE passage, but there's really a lot more to that thing than "elves don't have casual sex," which isn't precisely what the prof said.
I've used a lot of info from Morgoth's Ring to drive plotbunnies and character development. It's a great resource for anyone writing about Tolkien's elves. |
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Alassante Virtual Village Mod

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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Viv wrote: | Considering that you have some elflings and elf marriages going on in your stories, you might find Morgoth's Ring interesting. Isn't Vanelosse part human? There's a lot of info in that book about how these things happen, and the difference between Men and Elves. Yes, it does include the infamous LACE passage, but there's really a lot more to that thing than "elves don't have casual sex," which isn't precisely what the prof said.
I've used a lot of info from Morgoth's Ring to drive plotbunnies and character development. It's a great resource for anyone writing about Tolkien's elves. |
Actually Vanelosse is all elf! It's other stories I have with human/elf combinations. One half elf hooks up with Leggy and they have a elfling and I mentioned his elf ears - he's three parts elf! The other is a Eomer/OC combo but I haven't mentioned his ears but I have alluded strongly that he is an elf and he speaks both common tongue and elvish.
I have heard that Morgoth's Ring was a good well before. I will have to check that one out if I can find it around this po-dunk town! _________________ Nagzul #2 - The Nazgul of Shmoove
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Gypsum
Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 16 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:50 am Post subject: HoME |
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Finding Morgoth's Ring, War of the Jewels, and Peoples of Middle-earth can be a bit dodgy in the United States, if that's where you are. I found my copies when I was in Ireland all last summer (yes, these and Irish trad music CDs is where my money went) but cannot recall ever seeing them in a bookstore in the US. I suppose now and then they show up, but not often. So if you are in the US, your best bet might be Amazon.com.
The other HoME books and UT are easy to find here. |
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sindohte

Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 1621 Location: Rubbing up against an Elf
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:24 am Post subject: |
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I didn't have a problem finding the various HoME books. I purchased all of them in person from either a Borders or Barnes & Noble. The only thing that I had to order from overseas because they don't publish or sell it here in the US, is the HoME index. _________________ abandon thought, and let the dream descend... |
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Elandriel

Joined: 18 Jan 2005 Posts: 6 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:41 am Post subject: |
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I don't know if anyone else has read 'Tolkien : The Illustrated Encyclopedia'...what did you guys think? I think it missed out quite a few places and people, although it's a good thick book and a pretty decent read... for example, there's no mention of Ithilien in there or what became of it after the war. I didn't particularly like the illustrations either (or is mine an old edition?!).
I've read the histories of middle earth - the one I really did enjoy was 'Morgoth's Ring'. If you like to read up on elven culture and marriage and children, this is the one to read. I go back and re-read it quite often. 'Unfinished Tales' is also a really good read, although it can be a bit frustrating sometimes when they they truly are unfinished!! I love reading Tolkein's little notes and scribbles... he was so utterly dedicated to his work. _________________ 'Courage, Merry... courage for our friends.' |
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SpaceWeavil

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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| Elandriel wrote: | I don't know if anyone else has read 'Tolkien : The Illustrated Encyclopedia'...what did you guys think? I think it missed out quite a few places and people, although it's a good thick book and a pretty decent read... for example, there's no mention of Ithilien in there or what became of it after the war. I didn't particularly like the illustrations either (or is mine an old edition?!).
I've read the histories of middle earth - the one I really did enjoy was 'Morgoth's Ring'. If you like to read up on elven culture and marriage and children, this is the one to read. I go back and re-read it quite often. 'Unfinished Tales' is also a really good read, although it can be a bit frustrating sometimes when they they truly are unfinished!! I love reading Tolkein's little notes and scribbles... he was so utterly dedicated to his work. |
Do you mean the David Day Illustrated Encycolpaedia? If so see my post above for my opinion on Mr Day's accuracy I liked about 50% of the illustrations,and the one of Barad-dur was quite helpful when I was doing my Last Alliance fic and trying to visualise the original Dark Tower (before Isildur's lot tore it down to the foundations). Other than that, I don't really use it that often, just because I am wary of the innacuracies I've found in that and other books by the same author. That's the book I'm sure that has all the made up stuff about Nazgul and Fell Beasts, that I mentioned on another thread.
Agree though on UT and HoME. I'm still building up my collection of HoME, trying to get the most useful research-wise first. Just got War of the Jewels and Sauron Defeated (for the stuff on Adunaic). Think I stil have about 8 or 9 still to get though.
Another really good buy if you're looking for plot bunnies is the Letters of JRR Tolkien, which seems to have been re-released at last in the UK, as it's available now on Amazon fairly cheap (wasn't available at all before when I checked). That has a lot of interesting stuff where the Professor answered questions about his characters etc. and the edition I just bought is actually indexed, which makes it really easy to find stuff. _________________ Pervy Nazgul Fancier and owner of Fluffy the Fell Beast |
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VanatheEverYoung
Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 0 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Couldn't agree more about Unfinished Tales. I adore that book. It inspired my current fic. I take "unfinished" to mean "flexible," and have fun with what I read there. _________________
VĂ¡na, the Ever-Young
"All flowers spring as she passes and open if she glances upon them; and all birds sing at her coming." |
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