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HeartoftheNight

Joined: 25 Jun 2004 Posts: 2 Location: Barwench in the Golden Hall
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:13 pm Post subject: Troy: Is It Any Good? |
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Okay, Ladies, and Gents if you're coming to this topic, I need the truth now. Just got Troy on dvd but hesitant to watch it because I've heard its got bad reviews. So, if you take out Brad Pitt's butt, the half-naked Orlando Bloom that I saw in commercials, and the drool factor of Eric Bana and Sean Bean, does the movie have any substance? _________________ Though my eyes could see I still was a blind man
Though my mind could think I still was a mad man
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DarkElfChilde

Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 1013 Location: I'm located somewhere
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, and thats all I have to say.  _________________ [ ] |
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 160 Location: In a motel 6 by the airport
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, from a certain perspective.
Great Cinema it ain't, and you probably already know pretty much how it ends, but I thought it was a good, entertaining sand and sandals epic. There is some nice character development (particularly scenes between Odysseus and Achilles), it's very pretty (the overshots of Troy itself were way more exciting than Brad Pitt's butt), and I found the tension between Achilles and Agamemnon kept my attention.
Also, there's Peter O'Toole, and his presence can not be over valued.
Just grab the pop corn, curl up in the dark, take out your frontal lobe and have a good time. _________________ NB Duchess of WHY TF Cant'chu Punctuate, First Duchess of F*&(ing &*ll yur comma placement sux!
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MaglorRedeemed
Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 115 Location: The land of Mormons, green Jell-O and Orson Scott Card
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: Troy: Is It Any Good? |
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| HeartoftheNight wrote: | Okay, Ladies, and Gents if you're coming to this topic, I need the truth now. Just got Troy on dvd but hesitant to watch it because I've heard its got bad reviews. So, if you take out Brad Pitt's butt, the half-naked Orlando Bloom that I saw in commercials, and the drool factor of Eric Bana and Sean Bean, does the movie have any substance? |
Ummmm... not really. Well, it is sort of, I guess. Pretty visuals and some nifty battle sequences, (some of it's even historically accurate,) but if you want Greek mythology, forget it. _________________ Hurin: Aurë entuluva! Aurë entuluva! Aurë entuluva!
Morgoth: Mornië alantië, b*tch. |
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Yavanie

Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 630 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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Like the credits say: inspired by Homer's Illiad.
average movie. some good points. watching the guys in battle sequences had some nice shots. The hot elf plays a spoiled princling well, even gets to revamp his skill with a bow. we rented it last week and with the boys around, watched it 3 times ( they love the sword fights). would like to know how much is historically accurat (props and settings, etc.) but I'm sure it was impressive to watch on the big screen. I won't be buying a copy however. Of course, after LOTR, standards are pretty high. Do watch and enjoy but don't expect depth. _________________ Yavanie
...I understand the sadness of the Elves, and I have seen Mordor.
To be older and wiser you must first be younger and stupider. |
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Gypsum
Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 16 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:03 am Post subject: Ehhhh |
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Um, I thought it left a lot to be desired, to put it nicely.
Cool visuals and special effects and Sean did a good job, but I was not impressed by Orlando and Brad.
And the writing, the writing, the writing.... Most of the audience in the theater I was in were laughing out loud at the really tragic bits cause the dialogue was so trite it was comical. Kind of like "A diversion" (which someone in the theater actually yelled out when Orlando playing Paris made some ridiculously obvious comment). |
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Alassante Virtual Village Mod

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 20 Location: Hitchhiking to Rivendell
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:06 am Post subject: |
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Personally I liked it. After I saw it, I read parts of the book and now I want to see it again. I thought it was pretty good. Then you add Brad Pitts' ass (Nancy - you have totally different standards than I do because I think his ass is the best in the biz so far - course Colin Ferrell probably has a nice one that I just haven't seen), half naked Orlando, and Eric Bana and it is even better. One thing I didn't like was the two women - Eric Bana's wife and Helen of Troy. Eric Bana's wife was kinda whiny and not very attractive and I thought if Helen of Troy was supposed to be the "face that launched a thousand ships" they could have done better. She's pretty but I think Keira Knightly is prettier than her. And her acting was pretty dull. The other woman, the cousin of the two Troy brothers(I cannot remember one name tonight) was good and she was pretty. Not irritating like the first two The scene where Orlando shows his wimpy prince side was a little startling. I mean not only to see Orlando do it but to see the brother of a great warrior do it. I won't spoil it for you but you should watch it.
I have discovered that I usually do not agree with reviewers. They loved the movie Lost in Translation and I felt like it was two hours of my life I will never get back. Same for most other Oscar movies. They pick the artsy ones usually and I like the other ones. Like LOTR was the first fantasy film to ever win. That sucks because I love fantasy. But personally I would rather go see I Robot or Meet the Fockers than A Beautiful Mind or some others. I like a little action in my movies unless they are tearjerkers, comedies, or suspense movies.
What about Alexander? Has anyone seen it? I heard it was horrible but I wasn't sure. _________________ Nagzul #2 - The Nazgul of Shmoove
Crucio! Because stupidity should be painful!
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Alassante Virtual Village Mod

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 20 Location: Hitchhiking to Rivendell
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:10 am Post subject: Re: Ehhhh |
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| Gypsum wrote: | | Kind of like "A diversion" (which someone in the theater actually yelled out when Orlando playing Paris made some ridiculously obvious comment). |
Poor Orlando. It's not like he wrote the stuff. It's Peter Jackson that turned him into Mr. States the Obvious....
A diversion
A Scout
Crebain
Although he had some good lines usually with Gimli. I love at Helm's Deep when he offered to get Gimli a box. _________________ Nagzul #2 - The Nazgul of Shmoove
Crucio! Because stupidity should be painful!
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Hathor

Joined: 09 Jun 2003 Posts: 346 Location: Lancashire, England
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:09 am Post subject: |
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Couple of cracking fight scenes, but apart from that... no. Really, really disliked it, and I don't even know The Iliad. _________________ ~Hathor~
Owner of 'Just Another Hole' and Lindir, The Pretty Noldo Totty
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JayofLasgalen
Joined: 16 Aug 2003 Posts: 83 Location: Devon, England
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:40 am Post subject: |
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I enjoyed it. Not great cinema, no, certainly not as good as LOTR, but I enjoyed it.
There are some good action/fight scenes, and great visual effects at times. My personal favourite scene is where King Priam (Peter O'Toole) pleads with his enemy. That is wonderful, but desperately sad.
Orlando as Paris is gorgeous to look at, but his brother Hector (Eric Bana) was excellent, and equally drool-worthy. Brad Pitt doesn't do a thing for me, though.
Yes, certainly worth watching.
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inglor

Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 853 Location: Not here, not there, not anywhere
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:25 am Post subject: |
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I liked it, thought it was a good movie. Then again, I am very forgiving when it comes to movies. It wasn't stirring or anything but it was a nice way to kill 2 hours. It was no Ben Hur but I enjoyed it. Definitely a Brad Pit the Badass Ubermale vehicle. And the Achilles/Agememnon conflict was interesting. The battle sequences were great visually stunning. Not as good as Pellanor but then again, few things could compare with that. They paid a lot of attention to that. I don't know how accurate they were with tactics but they made sense.
It made me want to read the Illiad.
If you are going to watch Alexander and Troy, watch Troy first. Liked it a lot more than Alexander.
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NancyBrooke Challenge Admin
Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 160 Location: In a motel 6 by the airport
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| Alassante wrote: | | One thing I didn't like was the two women - Eric Bana's wife and Helen of Troy. Eric Bana's wife was kinda whiny and not very attractive and I thought if Helen of Troy was supposed to be the "face that launched a thousand ships" they could have done better. |
I kept on expecting Andromache to suddenly stand up and bitch slap Helen back to Sparta - "This is all your fault!!" but sadly, she never did. _________________ NB Duchess of WHY TF Cant'chu Punctuate, First Duchess of F*&(ing &*ll yur comma placement sux!
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Alassante Virtual Village Mod

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 20 Location: Hitchhiking to Rivendell
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| NancyBrooke wrote: | | Alassante wrote: | | One thing I didn't like was the two women - Eric Bana's wife and Helen of Troy. Eric Bana's wife was kinda whiny and not very attractive and I thought if Helen of Troy was supposed to be the "face that launched a thousand ships" they could have done better. |
I kept on expecting Andromache to suddenly stand up and bitch slap Helen back to Sparta - "This is all your fault!!" but sadly, she never did. |
Yes, when her husband got killed and had his body dragged behind a horse, I would think that she would hand deliver Helen to the enemy in the same manner her husband was treated. You gotta wonder if she had just come out when the ships showed up and said OOPS I made a mistake, if they would have packed up their toys and gone home. I do not know enough about the story after where the movie ended. I wonder if Helen even stayed with Paris. She was a ho so she probably left him for another guy. Since Paris didn't have 1000 ships and he knew he would look like an a** for starting all of this sh*t due to her, he probably would have kept her leaving him really quiet. Hector should have thrown her over the side of the boat and saved his own skin. That is what my sister would have done. Alas he did not, so the war caused by a skanky ho began. _________________ Nagzul #2 - The Nazgul of Shmoove
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Thuriniel
Joined: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 665 Location: Watching the purple sky fly over me ...
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:50 am Post subject: |
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There is no point on messing up a classic like "The Iliad" the way they did.
If at least they would've castrated Paris so that the "Hollywood Sappy Crappy Happily Ever After Shitty" Ending wouldn't have been so obvious ...
I haven't seen it. My brother, another mythology fan, told me everything I needed to know for me to refuse to even rent it. _________________ ~ boe an phân pedi ‘lam dadui ~
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Elennare

Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 75 Location: Edinburgh, UK
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Overall I wasn't that impressed by Troy, the scenery is beautiful and so are the actors, but there is a lack of depth to it (and the siege itself is unbelievably short).
On the other hand, it was better than King Arthur which was both boring and lacking in credibility.
Alexander is another movie that really could have been done better, it glosses over too many things (including important battles/conquests), focuses far too much on their interpretation of his love-life (which comes across as very contrived), and doesn't take enough time for the audience to learn who each of the mass of generals and companions are. |
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